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Old 11-11-2012, 08:15 AM   #41
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Not to me, to their wives. Nice dodge though.

There is no higher sacred contract of trust than between a man and his wife. If you make the solemn promise to forsake all others until death do you part, then do it. Otherwise don't get married.
If not to you (or anyone else here, I presume), what is this thread about?
Dodging what? You want me to answer for them?

I can tell you're not married.

But beyond marriage, what utopic world do you live in?
Just make everyone swear to not commit crimes and we're done.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:06 AM   #42
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Ive been married for 12 years boy. And loyal to m wife for 14.

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Old 11-11-2012, 12:17 PM   #43
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Didn't that French prime minister (Chiraq?) had a well know mistress for ever? I heard she was more popular with the French than his wife was.
At the same time Clinton is caught with an intern and is almost impeached.
It's just a matter of (unrealistic) expectations.
The French can do what they want to with their president. I am not concerned with them. They surrendered their entire nation during WW2 in 14 days (?). So I guess integrity and honor are ideals they don't hold very high. BTW......how many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers died liberating France ?

Clinton embarassed and humiliated the entire country . And he was impeached for lying, not the adultery. Monica Lewinsky is still single, and can't keep a job.


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Only thing is Petraeus is retired. He left the Army when appointed to be D/CIA.

UCMJ doesn't apply to him anymore
Yes and no. I forgot he was retired. I got so used to hearing him referred to as a General, I was assuming he was still active. It is not something spent a lot of time thinking about.

However, UCMJ still applies to retirees in certain extreme circumstances. I don't think that this qualifies as one of those circumstances though. If he or anyone else was retired and they wrote a book and started telling secrets they swore not to tell, they would find themselves in trouble.

If you are retired, you can still be recalled to active duty in the event of a national emergency.

I read that his gf was in the Reserves. She could be in trouble, but I doubt if it will happen. She'll probably just fade away.

I feel sorry for everyone else though. Can you imagine how humiliated Mrs. Petraeus and their kids are ? To learn about this from the tv and have your family problems discussed in 1080P High Definition around the entire world ?

And Broadwell's husband must feel like crap too.
I read that a second woman might be involved too.



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Not to me, to their wives. Nice dodge though.

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Old 11-11-2012, 12:38 PM   #44
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However, UCMJ still applies to retirees in certain extreme circumstances. I don't think that this qualifies as one of those circumstances though. If he or anyone else was retired and they wrote a book and started telling secrets they swore not to tell, they would find themselves in trouble.
No doubt he signed a non-disclosure agreement, but that's an agreement between him and the US Govt, not the US Army. If he was active duty, he'd be tried under the UCMJ in military court. Since he's retired, he'd be tried in Federal Court.

Take for instance the book No Easy Day. The DOD can press charges against the former SEAL, but he'd still be tried in Federal Court where the DOD would be plaintiff and the author the defendant.

At least that's my understanding and how I think it works.

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Old 11-11-2012, 01:26 PM   #45
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I guess Code Pink and Moveon.org is right about calling the man, "General Betray Us."

lol.

1) Lied about Libya in front congress just to protect Obama
2) Had an affair with a married military officer that is of lower rank them he is/was. She was a west point grad and is a LTC in the reserves I believed

this guy just lost all of his creditbility.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:40 PM   #46
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I guess Code Pink and Moveon.org is right about calling the man, "General Betray Us."

lol.

1) Lied about Libya in front congress just to protect Obama
2) Had an affair with a married military officer that is of lower rank them he is/was. She was a west point grad and is a LTC in the reserves I believed

this guy just lost all of his creditbility.
I think it is interesting that the book she wrote is called 'IN DEEP'
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:41 PM   #47
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it would be more interesting if the title was "balls deep"
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:04 PM   #48
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I guess Code Pink and Moveon.org is right about calling the man, "General Betray Us."

lol.

1) Lied about Libya in front congress just to protect Obama
2) Had an affair with a married military officer that is of lower rank them he is/was. She was a west point grad and is a LTC in the reserves I believed

this guy just lost all of his creditbility.
You don't know that he lied - you're speculating with that one.

Yes, he's let a lot of people down, lost credibility, but the only person he's really betrayed (so far) is his wife.

Like Benghazi, this one i'm going to wait and see how things pan out.

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Old 11-11-2012, 03:11 PM   #49
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I think it is interesting that the book she wrote is called 'IN DEEP'
the book was called "All In"...




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Old 11-11-2012, 04:24 PM   #50
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I guess I should have checked it first........I was close..
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:29 PM   #51
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Because it's about setting the example, and in his words, it's about honor. He cannot expect to lead an organization where ethos such as honor and other values are held in high regard, when he, in fact, broke that trust and had an affair.

His resignation letter to CIA employees:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...53f_story.html
I think this has much more to do with him potentially being blackmailed then worrying about anything relating to morality. With his position and knowledge, dirt like this doesn't stay buried for long and it can be used to leverage quite a bit of information and power.

In the end the part about it that bothers me is the timing. Right before he is scheduled to testify. I suspect the issue goes deeper than most are willing to admit.

I do think better of the man for beating others to the punch and being the first to admit it.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:59 PM   #52
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Petraeus may be called in U.S. inquiry on Benghazi: Feinstein

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Despite an adultery scandal that ended David Petraeus' tenure as CIA chief, the general may be called to testify in a Senate inquiry into the killing of four Americans at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, Senator Dianne Feinstein said Sunday.

Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on the "Fox News Sunday" program that Petraeus' resignation on Friday "was like a lightning bolt."

She said there will be an investigation into why the FBI failed to inform her and others on the intelligence committee before Friday about the extramarital affair between Petraeus and his biographer, Paula Broadwell, when the FBI probe had been proceeding for weeks.

The California Democrat said there was no connection between Petraeus' resignation and the September 11, 2012, killings in Benghazi. Petraeus had been scheduled to testify about the Benghazi case on Thursday in a closed session of the committee; Mike Morrell, the acting CIA director, is now expected to do so.

She said the committee may decide to call Petraeus in a future meeting of the intelligence panel on the Benghazi killings. Four U.S. citizens were killed, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

"My biggest concern is, there are literally hundreds of threat warnings in the material that has been accumulated," Feinstein said. "There were five attacks during the year, one prior attack on the consulate itself. The question I have is ... why wasn't something done about it?"

U.S. Representative Peter King, the Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, raised questions about why it took FBI investigators so long to inform President Barack Obama and others in his administration that Petraeus was involved.

FBI TIMELINE QUESTIONED

"The timeline has to be looked at and analyzed," the New York congressman said on CNN's "State of the Union. "Because obviously this was a matter involving a potential compromise of security and the president should have been told about it at the earliest stage."

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said he was ready to turn the page on the scandal that prompted Petraeus to resign, but said the former general must testify before Congress about what he called a "national security failure" at Benghazi.

Graham, of South Carolina, called for a Watergate-style joint select committee of members of the House and Senate to investigate the matter.

Speaking on "Face the Nation" on CBS, Graham said the Pentagon and the U.S. intelligence community have much to explain in this case, but singled out Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, for her role.

"I don't, quite frankly, trust her rendition of Benghazi," Graham said. Rice initially described the attack as a spontaneous outburst rather than a planned attack. Her handling of the matter provided fodder to Republican opponents in the final months of Obama's re-election campaign.

Rice has been mentioned as a possible choice by Obama to succeed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, but Graham said Rice's nomination to this post "would have incredibly difficult time getting through the Senate."

"I would not vote for her unless there's a tremendous opening up of information explaining herself in a way she has not yet done," Graham said of Rice.

http://news.yahoo.com/petraeus-may-c...040127558.html
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:28 PM   #53
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Just saw this on the news. At least the Gen's mistress has good taste in cars.

guess what she drives.


see pictures of her, her husband, house, and of course her car

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1199932
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:34 PM   #54
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From what I understand the CIA is even more strict about affairs and whatnot because of the possibility of being able to blackmail an agent in exchange for intel. So yes, this is a big deal and not just a case of two consenting adults.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:27 PM   #55
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I've known several guys that were adjutants to generals. They said without exception every single one of them had extramarital affairs. It's a damn shame.
Agreed! That's why I haven't taken the soapbox when discussing his actions. This is common practice, and at the end of the day, people are human and will make mistakes regardless of their position of power. That's not to say that I condone the behavior, but I understand it (..especially when you spend extensive amounts of time - alone - with someone of the opposite sex whom you are attracted to; it's bound to happen).

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