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Old 11-09-2012, 07:20 PM   #1
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What can I get for my E46 with a failed subframe?

Title says it all. I discovered that my E46 has a failed subframe. BMW offered to pay half, but at dealer prices of 4-6k it's still not worth it. I'm ready to move on and just would like to get the most cash I can out of it. I've considered trying to pass it off at Carmax, but morally I just think it's wrong. Everyone sells them cars with issues, which I realize, but this is a real safety issue.

So, I'm thinking Craigs List with full disclosure, hoping to find someone who can repair it themselves. Based on the following description, what do people think I should look to get:

2000 328i with Sport and Premium package, 5 speed transmission, and 173k. Color is silver with black interior. Body has maybe four minor rust spots, and one good door ding in the fender. Rims are rashed and have some brake dust stains. Really, for a 13 year old car, when it's washed it still looks pretty damn nice. Brakes, tires, front and rear shocks, rear springs, and rear RTABs all less then 14 months old. Interior is in good shape with no major issues.

Overall I've maintained the car with the intention of keeping it forever, but ain't gonna happen. Engine runs like a champ and doesn't burn a drop of oil. Other then the subframe, not another thing that needs to done.

Any suggestions on a good price would be appreciated. Alternatively, if there is an option other then Craigs List, let me know.

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Old 11-09-2012, 07:47 PM   #2
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Have you considered getting a repair quote from a reputable independent? I think fixing and then selling or parting it out are probably your most lucrative options unless you find a one-in-a-hundred buyer who will pay quite a bit. Most likely you'll get well under $2K for it as-is, imo.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:51 PM   #3
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Five years ago, I purchased my 2000 323I knowingly with a bad tear in the rear subframe mounting area.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:53 PM   #4
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eBay motors comes to mind for a different kind of audience.
Take the KBB and subtract the cost of repair. Then subtract an inconvenience cost again.
Bottom line is not much. If it's not worth it to you, what would be the appeal for someone else? Guy with weld skilss would want to pick it up for bargain price. Still lots of work to drop all those parts.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #5
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Part it out.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:30 PM   #6
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I don't think Carmax buys cars that are older than 10 years old regardless.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:06 AM   #7
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Auto auction is the perfect place for rhis
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:01 AM   #8
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Parting it out, or selling with full disclosure are the only good options. The others see not good, because they fvck up your Karma.
Try the Craigslist full disclosure you're first, and see what offers you get, and start pricing what you would get for a partout.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:05 AM   #9
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:48 AM   #10
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if you lived near me, id take it to the dealer auctions for you and let it go that way... some days the e46's go for quite a bit
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:59 AM   #11
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If you look around for a good welder you can do it yourself by helping the welder and cut hundreds off the cost. Just did mine and it only cost me 538 total including the turner motorsports kit. It drives 100% better and i don't plan on selling anytime soon. It's my labor of love lol.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:05 AM   #12
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So, did you find a welder to come out to your location and do the welding after you dropped everything? I considered this but was a little worried about finding someone competent to do the job.

As a side note, did you drop the gas tank before welding?

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If you look around for a good welder you can do it yourself by helping the welder and cut hundreds off the cost. Just did mine and it only cost me 538 total including the turner motorsports kit. It drives 100% better and i don't plan on selling anytime soon. It's my labor of love lol.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:08 AM   #13
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There is another option, I would say.
In all probability this car has been this way for quite some time - years even. Although I read your other thread on the subject I can't remember how you noticed the crack but I suspect it was by accident. In other words there were no detrimental consequences to the car and its handling.
Consequently you could just get the thing welded or plated and welded and just drive it until it drops.
It is an option I may well consider now that money is tight.
Good luck to you with your decision.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:12 AM   #14
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Thanks everyone. Parting it out seems like to much work for something I'm not going to keep. I guess Craigslist or eBay Motors will be my best bet. The KBB is 5k in average shape, so I would think I could get at least 2k, maybe even 2500.

In terms of getting it fixed professionally, I'm not willing to spend over 1k, and I don't think anyone local will do that.

afstud, I'm in Baltimore, so looks like your a bit to far away. Thanks for the offer though.

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Old 11-10-2012, 08:49 AM   #15
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Go looking for a local welder to come to you first. If you drop everything yourself, it could be an economical fix...as the poster above mentioned.

Search craigslist for welders.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:00 AM   #16
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Sell it to a shop that moves a few used cars here and there.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:05 AM   #17
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Go looking for a local welder to come to you first. If you drop everything yourself, it could be an economical fix...as the poster above mentioned.

Search craigslist for welders.
+1. If you can drop the suspension yourself, buy the Turner Motorsports repair kit, and then have a local welder put that on for you. Wouldn't be more than a weekend or two and a few hundred dollars.

See the attached PDF and determine if you are comfortable with doing the prep work, or if it's even possible on your car. Looks like the only extra tool you need is an angle grinder ($100) and a cutoff saw (same tool).
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:12 AM   #18
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As a side note, did you drop the gas tank before welding?

Thanks

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What part of the pic I posted in #4 here did you not understand?
See a fuel tank remaining in that area?
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:16 AM   #19
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Everything under the car must come off.
1: exhaust > use penetrating oil overnight before removal
2: drive shaft > be very careful with this, no dings
3: heat shield
4: gas tank > make sure you don't have more that two gallons in tank
5: subframe > removed this as one piece > If you remove the lower control arm from the hub you can leave the calipers hanging in place.
6: evap canister
My friend had a lift and builds chassis for drag racing. even if you need to pay 1000 to1500 dollars, it beats losing the money you have invested in the car.
It can be done on the ground but more difficult.
I found the Turner Kit was great for all except the actual repair. the hole was so large we made our own plate, so that part doesn't look as neat and tidy as the rest but i know it won't give me problems again.
Even though the repair is long(18 Hrs) total, and a great headache, once you get started and finish you will be well satisfied.
Lets face it any major repair is going to be costly and time consuming, if you're going to drive an old car you have to give a little to get a little.

Previous owner tried a short cut, and yes i knew what i was getting into,
it's why i payed so little for the car.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:35 AM   #20
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Looks like a monkey welded the original "repair". Looks like he just made it worse.
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