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Old 10-23-2012, 11:34 AM   #1
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Talking Apple's 'Rubber Banding' Patent Key to Samsung Lawsuit Invalidated

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FOSS Patents reports on a new court filing from Samsung revealing that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has issued a preliminary decision ruling that Apple's "rubber banding" patent that was a key part of the $1 billion lawsuit against Samsung has been invalidated. While numerous other reviews and appeals will undoubtedly take place in the coming months, the preliminary ruling is certainly a blow to Apple's cases against Samsung and others.

"In a non-final Office action the USPTO has declared all 20 claims of Apple's rubber-banding patent (U.S. Patent No, 7,469,381 invalid, including claim 19, which Apple successfully asserted against Samsung in the summer trial in California. In fact, claim 19 is one of several claims to be deemed invalid for two reasons, either one of which would be sufficient on its own."

The report notes that the rejection could influence Judge Lucy Koh to at least partially rule in favor of Samsung's requests that the jury's verdict be overturned by the court as having been improperly issued.

The patent rejection comes after an anonymous third party challenged the validity of the patent earlier this year, requesting a reexamination by the patent office. The rubber banding patent covers the ability for iOS content to "bounce back" when a user has scrolled to the top or bottom of a given page. The feature provides an aesthetically pleasing means of alerting the user that they have reached the end of the content rather than simply stopping abruptly, but the USPTO has now ruled that the feature does not qualify as novel in light of prior art on the matter. That prior art includes not only a European patent from AOL but also a previous Apple patent.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:05 PM   #2
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:20 PM   #4
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I think these patent lawsuits are getting out of hand. The only things they are doing is slowing down innovations, and limiting choices by consumers. Seriously, Apple had patented rounded corners. My LG flip phone had rounded corners in 2002

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Wozniak predicted that the ruling wouldn't stand. I believe him. Judge Koh just had a previous ruling for Apple against samsung reversed and remanded. (the Galaxy Nexus ban).

Things are looking dimmer for Apple's litigation machine.

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apple has always operated this way, read about the deep inner workings of a company that was pulled from the depths of defeat by ruthless tactics ........yeah, it's a business


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Round corners? Really? Pretty much every phone has round corners, Apple is cleary trying to snuff out the other phone companies, Next the will be trying to patent on flat screens
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Apple had no problem ripping of Xerox UI and mouse for the Macintosh, but try to sue when some one uses rounded corners. Steve Jobs was one of the most horrible people that ever lived, and yes he is right up there with Stalin and Hitler.

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Apple had no problem ripping of Xerox UI and mouse for rhw Macentosh, but try to sue when some one uses rounded corners. Stve Jobs was one of the most horrible people that ever lived, and yes he is right up there with Stalin and Hitler.
and there ya have it, i'm not the only one with the comparison
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Suckers, ANY COMPANY IN THE WORLD Will do anything to get money.
Fixed. People only hate on the ones that rise to the top, but don't kid yourselves: ALL companies are like that. Jobs wasn't the only corporate Hitler out there. They're ALL like that.
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Good. I like that feature and don't think it should be limited to only one company.
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Apple had no problem ripping of Xerox UI and mouse for rhw Macentosh
"The idea that Apple stole Xerox’s mouse invention is totally wrong on all counts. This basic scenario is also true for many other Mac technologies seen at PARC.
Of course, some things the Apple engineers saw were in fact invented by Xerox, including bitmapping and Ethernet. But the biggest thing Apple got out of the visit was the big-picture vision of how a networked graphical personal computer and printers might function. The second thing was a whole lot of pointers and shortcuts to the solution to problems solved by PARC researchers.
But here’s the most important fact: Nothing was “stolen.”
Whatever Apple got from those three days was bought and paid for as part of a fair, legal, above-the-table business deal between Xerox and Apple.
At the time, Apple was still a year away from its IPO. Everybody wanted in. Apple was the hottest of hot companies. So Xerox and Apple made a deal: Apple would be granted 3 days of access to PARC in exchange for Xerox being allowed to buy 100,000 shares of Apple stock for $10 per share.
Apple went public a year later, and the value of that stock had grown to $17.6 million. Xerox paid a million for the shares, so essentially Apple paid Xerox $16.6 million for showing its research to Jobs and his team.
This monetization of PARC research was vastly higher than Xerox’s Star, which lost a lot of money.
(Also: My back-of-the-envelope calculation, factoring in a stock split, is that those shares would today be worth about $324 million.)"

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"The idea that Apple stole Xerox’s mouse invention is totally wrong on all counts. This basic scenario is also true for many other Mac technologies seen at PARC.
Of course, some things the Apple engineers saw were in fact invented by Xerox, including bitmapping and Ethernet. But the biggest thing Apple got out of the visit was the big-picture vision of how a networked graphical personal computer and printers might function. The second thing was a whole lot of pointers and shortcuts to the solution to problems solved by PARC researchers.
But here’s the most important fact: Nothing was “stolen.”
Whatever Apple got from those three days was bought and paid for as part of a fair, legal, above-the-table business deal between Xerox and Apple.
At the time, Apple was still a year away from its IPO. Everybody wanted in. Apple was the hottest of hot companies. So Xerox and Apple made a deal: Apple would be granted 3 days of access to PARC in exchange for Xerox being allowed to buy 100,000 shares of Apple stock for $10 per share.
Apple went public a year later, and the value of that stock had grown to $17.6 million. Xerox paid a million for the shares, so essentially Apple paid Xerox $16.6 million for showing its research to Jobs and his team.
This monetization of PARC research was vastly higher than Xerox’s Star, which lost a lot of money.
(Also: My back-of-the-envelope calculation, factoring in a stock split, is that those shares would today be worth about $324 million.)"

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Okay, I can buy that, but how do you explain apples patenting of " rounded corners"
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Okay, I can buy that, but how do you explain apples patenting of " rounded corners"
I can't. I'm not defending Apple.
Just stating the facts about a common myth (about the Apple/PARC deal) that gets thrown around when fanboys go to war.

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It's really the patent office's fault for handing out patents for even the most generic of features.

Nonetheless, I will never own an apple product. The reasons are numerous. The fact that they put form over function couldn't be any further from my personal philosophy. The financial end of things bothers me too. There is very little value for the dollar vs. competitive products, and I don't like the way that apple finds a way to keep you continually paying them. Why are so few macs used in business? Because the only thing it accomplishes is increasing your company's hardware costs by 25%.

And finally I hate the whole apple culture. They are a group of people who tend to think of themselves as far more intelligent than the average person, BUT they will wait outside of a store for a product for days, they believe everything that the company tells them as gospel, regardless of the reality. The 'amazing iphone' ? really, I guess that I'm not that easily amazed.
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It's really the patent office's fault for handing out patents for even the most generic of features.

Nonetheless, I will never own an apple product. The reasons are numerous. The fact that they put form over function couldn't be any further from my personal philosophy. The financial end of things bothers me too. There is very little value for the dollar vs. competitive products, and I don't like the way that apple finds a way to keep you continually paying them. Why are so few macs used in business? Because the only thing it accomplishes is increasing your company's hardware costs by 25%.

And finally I hate the whole apple culture. They are a group of people who tend to think of themselves as far more intelligent than the average person, BUT they will wait outside of a store for a product for days, they believe everything that the company tells them as gospel, regardless of the reality. The 'amazing iphone' ? really, I guess that I'm not that easily amazed.
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It's really the patent office's fault for handing out patents for even the most generic of features.

Nonetheless, I will never own an apple product. The reasons are numerous. The fact that they put form over function couldn't be any further from my personal philosophy. The financial end of things bothers me too. There is very little value for the dollar vs. competitive products, and I don't like the way that apple finds a way to keep you continually paying them. Why are so few macs used in business? Because the only thing it accomplishes is increasing your company's hardware costs by 25%.

And finally I hate the whole apple culture. They are a group of people who tend to think of themselves as far more intelligent than the average person, BUT they will wait outside of a store for a product for days, they believe everything that the company tells them as gospel, regardless of the reality. The 'amazing iphone' ? really, I guess that I'm not that easily amazed.
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It's really the patent office's fault for handing out patents for even the most generic of features.

Nonetheless, I will never own an apple product. The reasons are numerous. The fact that they put form over function couldn't be any further from my personal philosophy. The financial end of things bothers me too. There is very little value for the dollar vs. competitive products, and I don't like the way that apple finds a way to keep you continually paying them. Why are so few macs used in business? Because the only thing it accomplishes is increasing your company's hardware costs by 25%.

And finally I hate the whole apple culture. They are a group of people who tend to think of themselves as far more intelligent than the average person, BUT they will wait outside of a store for a product for days, they believe everything that the company tells them as gospel, regardless of the reality. The 'amazing iphone' ? really, I guess that I'm not that easily amazed.
While I am not an Apple fan (actually, not really a fan of anything; I have zero brand loyalty), I am going to have to disagree on this. While they certainly advertise their looks, one of the reasons why they sell so many of their products is because of user-friendliness. The interface is very polished in look and feel, and while there is a learning curve, once you learn how to use one Apple product, it doesn't take much effort to pick up on another (you don't have to "un-learn" anything). Even when I plug my iPod into my PC, using iTunes and transferring files is relatively seamless. The fact that you can buy an iPod and not worry if it will work with your Macbook or not is, I say, a pretty good indication that they thought about function as well.

Now, if you want to talk about form, we can discuss how they "stole" Braun's designs from the 1960s (yet you don't hear Braun/Dieter Rams crying out about it), but that's a totally different discussion for another thread and I'm really not all that interested in it.
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