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Old 02-03-2015, 11:12 PM   #1
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Question about NICS check

I am aware that when purchasing a new firearm a 4473 must be filled. A NICS check is then ran and if approved, the buyer receives the firearm. Now, does the retailer contact the FBI directly, or do they contact a state agency that contacts the FBI?

Also, is the state notified when an individual purchases a new firearm, such as a database or does the FBI keep this information? I hope you guys can shed some light on this subject for me.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:17 AM   #2
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The NICS check goes directly to the FBI.
Most states also run their own background check.

NICS doesn't store anything purchase-related, AFAIK.

As far as state records go, that depends on your state.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:04 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply. I'll contact my local law enforcement office and ask them if they keeps records of any sorts.

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Old 02-06-2015, 06:57 PM   #4
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...Protection_Act

Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 makes it illegal for the feds to keep a gun registry.

But of course they do it anyway.

ATF agents regularly visit gun stores to make complete copies of their 4473 books. Not really legal for them to do so.

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Old 02-13-2015, 11:13 PM   #5
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In va the state only knows if you are getting a revolver, pistol, shotgun, or rifle. The only complete records they receive are multiple handgun reports. The ffl retains the 4473. We only get requests for traces if a gun is recovered in a crime. The atf has never copied our bound books or 4473....not saying they cant if they do a audit.

I do suspect they have a back door registration. Once a couple of years ago I bought over a dozen pistols at once and the ffl made a mistake on the multiple handgun forum. The state police called him back because of the wrong serial number... HOW did the state police know that the sn was wrong on a gun from a out of state transfer? Sounds like the feds to me.
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:57 AM   #6
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Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 makes it illegal for the feds to keep a gun registry.

But of course they do it anyway.

ATF agents regularly visit gun stores to make complete copies of their 4473 books. Not really legal for them to do so.
Having worked in the firearms community for a number of years I can say that ATF does not make copies of any 4473's. They will come in and perform audits on the forms but they are never copied and never leave the premises. The only registry they compare forms against is the NFA or the FFL's bound book. Mostly they are looking for errors on the forms themselves that either customers or employees have made, or to find potential multiple handgun sales that were missed.

As for the records included in the NICS background check, the FBI is contacted directly but are only informed of type of firearm (Handgun, Long Gun, Other) and upon a Proceed response to the check all records of said check are destroyed. Here in KS we are also allowed to bypass background check if the customer has a valid CCW as the customer has passed a federal background check in order to be approved for the permit. As stated above regulations from state to state may vary but those are what I am familiar with.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...Protection_Act

Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 makes it illegal for the feds to keep a gun registry.

But of course they do it anyway.

ATF agents regularly visit gun stores to make complete copies of their 4473 books. Not really legal for them to do so.

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