E46 BMW Social Directory E46 FAQ 3-Series Discussion Forums BMW Photo Gallery BMW 3-Series Technical Information E46 Fanatics - The Ultimate BMW Resource BMW Vendors General E46 Forum The Tire Rack's Tire Wheel Forum Forced Induction Forum The Off-Topic The E46 BMW Showroom For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy

Welcome to the E46Fanatics forums. E46Fanatics is the premiere website for BMW 3 series owners around the world with interactive forums, a geographical enthusiast directory, photo galleries, and technical information for BMW enthusiasts.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   E46Fanatics > Everything Else > The Off-Topic > Political Talk

Political Talk
You may discuss anything regarding politics in this forum ONLY. If you cannot respect others opinions, your access to this forum will be removed.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-21-2012, 12:37 PM   #61
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerfan08 View Post
Exactly...I thought the same for GM and Chrysler.
"too big to fail"
MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 12:49 PM   #62
rdsesq
ouroboros autorotica
 
rdsesq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Cali...the only state that matters
Posts: 1,452
My Ride: 2002 330i
Quote:
Originally Posted by tock172 View Post
Term limits would help us get rid of worthless incumbent politicians. In California, we have two. Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein. Both of them should lose their jobs as they have done nothing to improve California. In fact, under their watch, this state's problems have become almost irreparable.
The people have a right to elect whom they choose. The voters of california have repeatedly chosen Boxer and Feinstein. I have no I idea why they keep doing this. But, they have the right to do so. Also, it must be noted that both of those cows do not pass state budgets or legislation. So, they are hardly at the top of the "which govt officials f**ked up Cali" list.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tock172 View Post
To address your comments regarding Hostess; while I am not privy to the organization's financials, there are numerous examples where union pressure exceeds the ability of the organization's leadership to deal with it. Boeing moved manufacturing operations to another state in an attempt to cope with union issues. Boeing haa a large enough cash pile to do this with. Hostess probably didn't.
That is not the fault of the union, that is the failure of the organization's leadership ability. Blame the union for mgmt's failure. And then expect the union to help mgmt clean up the mess they made.

Let me ask you one question, in all seriousness. Why should the union help mgmt clean up the mess mgmt made?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tock172 View Post
The fact is, there are people willing to make twinkies for less money than what the union is demanding. Obviously there is still demand for twinkies, so as far as I am concerned, **** the union.
Well, maybe not. If twinkies are so in demand. Hostess could have raised their prices, and covered their costs and made a profit. After all, that is the way america is supposed to work, right? Free enterprise, right? Yet another example of pi$$ poor mgmt, not labor.

People don't have a constitutional right to buy twinkies for $0.99. And guess what. I'll wager that within 2 years, twinkies are back on the market. Somebody is going to buy that asset in the BK sell-off.

So as far as I am concerned, **** all the people who want to shift blame from where it belongs, Hostess mgmt, to where it doesn't, the union. They are just a bunch of spoiled, whining, crying babies who can't handle the concept of responsibility.
__________________
"The existence of life is a highly overrated phenomenon."
-- Dr Manhattan

quis custodiet ipsos custodes
rdsesq is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 12:49 PM   #63
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by tock172 View Post
Term limits would help us get rid of worthless incumbent politicians...
It's the responsibility of the voters to remove "worthless" incumbents. If they're incapable of selecting quality candidates from the start they'll simply repeat the same mistake with a new candidate. Your rationale for term limits is flawed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by tock172 View Post
To address your comments regarding Hostess; while I am not privy to the organization's financials, there are numerous examples where union pressure exceeds the ability of the organization's leadership to deal with it. Boeing moved manufacturing operations to another state in an attempt to cope with union issues. Boeing haa a large enough cash pile to do this with. Hostess probably didn't.

The fact is, there are people willing to make twinkies for less money than what the union is demanding. Obviously there is still demand for twinkies, so as far as I am concerned, **** the union.
Had Hostess managed the problem from the start and known their limitations it would not have progressed to the state in which we see it today.
__________________

Last edited by casino is no lie; 11-21-2012 at 12:50 PM.
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 01:35 PM   #64
bimmerfan08
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Williamsburg VA
Posts: 4,887
My Ride: Phoenix Yellow M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by casino is no lie View Post
It's the responsibility of the voters to remove "worthless" incumbents. If they're incapable of selecting quality candidates from the start they'll simply repeat the same mistake with a new candidate. Your rationale for term limits is flawed.



Had Hostess managed the problem from the start and known their limitations it would not have progressed to the state in which we see it today.
So we have an issue with voters not voting rationally and logically. How do we instill that train of thought into your everyday common citizen? You know, to think outside the box.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xcelratr View Post
"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.
bimmerfan08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 01:37 PM   #65
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerfan08 View Post
So we have an issue with voters not voting rationally and logically. How do we instill that train of thought into your everyday common citizen? You know, to think outside the box.
good question. Lets not invest and cut education for starters...Oh wait.

MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 02:45 PM   #66
bimmerfan08
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Williamsburg VA
Posts: 4,887
My Ride: Phoenix Yellow M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdyaman View Post
good question. Lets not invest and cut education for starters...Oh wait.

Education in this country has down the shitter.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xcelratr View Post
"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.

Last edited by bimmerfan08; 11-21-2012 at 03:05 PM.
bimmerfan08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 02:49 PM   #67
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerfan08 View Post
Education in this country has down the shitter.
yup
MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:05 PM   #68
bimmerfan08
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Williamsburg VA
Posts: 4,887
My Ride: Phoenix Yellow M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdyaman View Post
yup
I got a haircut last night and when the stylist went to ring me up, she was having difficulity adding/subtracting numbers by hand and figuring out percentages to give me a discount on my haircut. Chick was probably 21 years old, not much younger than me but the lack of fundamentals was alarming. She even went so far as to say she was in community college taking entry level math. Then her much older manager came to the front of the store and did the math for her telling her "I didn't even go to college and I can do math".
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xcelratr View Post
"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.
bimmerfan08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:11 PM   #69
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
/\

ah well. such is life.
MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:13 PM   #70
bimmerfan08
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Williamsburg VA
Posts: 4,887
My Ride: Phoenix Yellow M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdyaman View Post
/\

ah well. such is life.
Agreed. So this thread is uh, pretty quiet now eh?
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xcelratr View Post
"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.
bimmerfan08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:14 PM   #71
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
It's Thanksgiving
MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:17 PM   #72
evolved
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posts: 810
My Ride: 2011 BMW 135i
LOUD NOISES








There, is that better?
__________________

Present
2011 BMW 135i - BSM
Past
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT, 2000 BMW 323ci, 2003 Evolution VIII, 1995 Nissan 240sx w/ SR20DET

E46Sig
evolved is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:37 PM   #73
rdsesq
ouroboros autorotica
 
rdsesq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Cali...the only state that matters
Posts: 1,452
My Ride: 2002 330i
Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerfan08 View Post
So we have an issue with voters not voting rationally and logically. How do we instill that train of thought into your everyday common citizen? You know, to think outside the box.
Is this really an issue? One could argue that the problem is voting rationally and logically. It is a rational and logical decision to vote for that which creates grid lock. What better way to keep the govt from doing things, especially if you don't trust them. It is logical, if you are OK with your particular circumstances, to keep those currently in power.
__________________
"The existence of life is a highly overrated phenomenon."
-- Dr Manhattan

quis custodiet ipsos custodes
rdsesq is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:46 PM   #74
bimmerfan08
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Williamsburg VA
Posts: 4,887
My Ride: Phoenix Yellow M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdsesq View Post
Is this really an issue? One could argue that the problem is voting rationally and logically. It is a rational and logical decision to vote for that which creates grid lock. What better way to keep the govt from doing things, especially if you don't trust them. It is logical, if you are OK with your particular circumstances, to keep those currently in power.
I don't think most people vote with that approach.

We need change, we need a shock to the system, and in order to do so, sometimes the risks are worth the rewards.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xcelratr View Post
"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.
bimmerfan08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:50 PM   #75
Act of God
E46Fanatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NY
Posts: 333
My Ride: 3.5 Liters of fury
Send a message via AIM to Act of God
Nothing will change, hence why gridlock is the best viable option
__________________
Gold Medal Recipient: Jimmy Rustling (2014)
Act of God is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 09:07 AM   #76
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
Twinkies bakers say they'd rather lose jobs than take a pay cut

http://news.yahoo.com/twinkies-baker...--finance.html

Quote:
Interviews with more than a dozen workers showed there was little sign of regret from employees who voted for the strike. They said they would rather lose their jobs than put up with lower wages and poorer benefits.
"They're just taking from us," said Kenneth Johnson, 46, of Missouri. He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.
"I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years.
With 18,500 workers, Hostess has 12 different unions including the BCTGM, which has about 5,600 members on the bread and snack item production lines, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which represents about 7,500 route sales representatives, drivers and other employees

Last edited by MDydinanM; 11-22-2012 at 09:07 AM.
MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 09:47 AM   #77
Lair
Modded ///Member
 
Lair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Downtown
Posts: 320
My Ride: 330ciC
Glad to see that there are still Americans who refuse to be exploited by corporate thugs.

I hope the rest of the workers in this country will follow their lead.
__________________

Congratulations.
Lair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 09:56 AM   #78
NOVAbimmer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: VA
Posts: 12,044
My Ride: 14 Impala FXST M796
"I'd rather draw unemployment."

__________________
NOVAbimmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 09:58 AM   #79
MDydinanM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 751
My Ride: is a ///M
Quote:
Originally Posted by novabimmer View Post
"i'd rather draw unemployment."

+1
MDydinanM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 10:07 AM   #80
Lair
Modded ///Member
 
Lair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Downtown
Posts: 320
My Ride: 330ciC
I'd tell them fk off too.
__________________

Congratulations.
Lair is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Censor is ON





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
(c) 1999 - 2011 performanceIX Inc - privacy policy - terms of use