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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 11-18-2012, 02:42 AM   #21
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Im sorry, but if i go to the dealer and pay $300 for an oil change shoot me in the face
LOL I don't know what kind car you own, but if you're going to own a $100k+ car then you had better do the required maintenance on it and not do a half ass job, otherwise 1. you won't be able to resell the vehicle, and 2. that thing will probably break down on you and become paper weight... The rotors and pads ARE $4k. You can't just go to Autozone and buy off the shelf rotors and pads for the car... You WILL go through a whole set of tires before you hit 10k miles in this car. Suspension upgrade for a GTR will run you around 3-4k at the very least...

Everything is more expensive for a supercar. You can argue that a GTR is just a Nissan and not a supercar, but that's just not the case or at least not how they market it (I mean for god sakes the car does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds). Buy a GT3 and you'll have to pay just as much for maintenance. These aren't your everyday daily driver BMWs.... If you want to buy it, beat it to hell for a few thousand miles, and then sell it, then go for it...but just remember that people won't drop 70k for a car that doesn't have the required maintenance history or a car that's worn to hell and not serviced properly. Sorry if I sound like a broken record but I would never buy a car without an extensive service record, especially if its a car in the $100k territory. Let us know what happens with the deal OP, would love to see some vids of your new GTR doing some runs.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:54 PM   #22
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Lol I remember maybe about a year ago my brother and I were driving home from the mall and I raced a GT-R. Wasn't really a race, I took off he didn't t know we were racing, but at the next light things got fun for a little haha. I had my brother record it, but he was mad at me atm so he was more watching and admiring the GT-R, did a horrible camera job. Still, I probably have the video on my computer somewhere, I'll look for it when I get home.

As for trading it, have no idea what GT-Rs go for or what maintenance costs looks like. I know everything is more than an M, but if you can afford it, why not?
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Anyone else notice OP said the GT-R had 21.5k miles on it, but the pics of the one he posted has 34k?
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Anyone else notice OP said the GT-R had 21.5k miles on it, but the pics of the one he posted has 34k?
That's 34k kms bro. This is probably in Canada.
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Lol I remember maybe about a year ago my brother and I were driving home from the mall and I raced a GT-R. Wasn't really a race, I took off he didn't t know we were racing, but at the next light things got fun for a little haha. I had my brother record it, but he was mad at me atm so he was more watching and admiring the GT-R, did a horrible camera job. Still, I probably have the video on my computer somewhere, I'll look for it when I get home.

As for trading it, have no idea what GT-Rs go for or what maintenance costs looks like. I know everything is more than an M, but if you can afford it, why not?
Posts about street racing are not allowed on this forum.

GT-R's are badass, but I think it would make a fairly terrible daily driver. A second car used as a weekend toy, yes, but not as a DD.
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LOL I don't know what kind car you own, but if you're going to own a $100k+ car then you had better do the required maintenance on it and not do a half ass job, otherwise 1. you won't be able to resell the vehicle, and 2. that thing will probably break down on you and become paper weight... The rotors and pads ARE $4k. You can't just go to Autozone and buy off the shelf rotors and pads for the car... You WILL go through a whole set of tires before you hit 10k miles in this car. Suspension upgrade for a GTR will run you around 3-4k at the very least...

Everything is more expensive for a supercar. You can argue that a GTR is just a Nissan and not a supercar, but that's just not the case or at least not how they market it (I mean for god sakes the car does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds). Buy a GT3 and you'll have to pay just as much for maintenance. These aren't your everyday daily driver BMWs.... If you want to buy it, beat it to hell for a few thousand miles, and then sell it, then go for it...but just remember that people won't drop 70k for a car that doesn't have the required maintenance history or a car that's worn to hell and not serviced properly. Sorry if I sound like a broken record but I would never buy a car without an extensive service record, especially if its a car in the $100k territory. Let us know what happens with the deal OP, would love to see some vids of your new GTR doing some runs.

I did not read after "(I mean for god sakes the car does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds"


Do you know how much a clutch on gallardo is? Youre talking about maintaince. Im just saying dont start a "Which oil is better for my car thread" Just because you have something that is expensive doesnt mean you have to sprinkle gold in the fuel to get it to run. I dont see why you would upgrade the suspension on a gtr, or upgrade brakes theyre already adequate to handle the power. Theyre people who run crazy numbers on stock brakes and lol stock tires.

Oh dont get me started on tires,and power to the ground.

2. They will break down, What you consider the basics are to keep this running ? So i dont end up with a paper weight. Correct me if im wrong does the gtr have carbon ceramic brakes? How long to they last? Is there a upgrade package from the factory ? If so then how much ?Please explain somethings to me

Supercar is no longer a word that you have to associate with "**** my wallet" after warranty runs out.

Last thing, I dont think people pay a premium for a high end car (which a gtr isnt) to see how much it will sell for later. I buy a car with the attention of driving it and using it for what it is, If no one buys it after then **** it whocares i still have a well maintained vehicle without having to go to the bank to grab some grinded up diamonds to line the oil filter.

Still a nissan, parts used arnt made from exotic materials that come regions unknown to the common man.
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If I want to upgrade , stillen isnt bad

*Edit the brakes on the gallardo cost less than that for full install plus couple of other things were done to keep that paper weight
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:52 AM   #28
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That's 34k kms bro. This is probably in Canada.
Yes i'm in Canada just converted kms to miles for you guys.. The pic shows kms which is correct.
They're priced higher here everything is esp. where i am.

He wont go even for 40k plus ///my car.
I sent a pic of my car to this guy and he liked it, said i'll buy your m3 but his offer was a bit low. Would've been nice to own a gt-r, they'll be more affordable in few years.
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I recently and extensively test drove a 2010 GT-R. While it has tons of power and is "stupid fast", I was bored with the paddle shifters quickly. The car has a ton of power, accelerates hard, brakes hard, turns quickly....the whole deal. But do I really want to spend $65k on one? No way, especially knowing that the previous owner(s) beat on it and it may have transmission issues long term that Nissan won't cover.

Also, maintenance is a colossal expense. Expect $2k for tires, $800 rear differential fluid changes, $300 oil changes, etc. It's not cheap to maintain in any way, shape, or form. I'll stick to my E46 M3.
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To go from an e46 m3 to a GTR with zero knowledge is a ticking time bomb bro...

GTRs are just WWAYY to much more of everything, good and bad.
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Hasn't Bolt already wrecked a e93M and other various cars?


b cyrus---- Seriously... They only come in AT?! That can't be right....I hope.
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I did not read after "(I mean for god sakes the car does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds"


Do you know how much a clutch on gallardo is? Youre talking about maintaince. Im just saying dont start a "Which oil is better for my car thread" Just because you have something that is expensive doesnt mean you have to sprinkle gold in the fuel to get it to run. I dont see why you would upgrade the suspension on a gtr, or upgrade brakes theyre already adequate to handle the power. Theyre people who run crazy numbers on stock brakes and lol stock tires.

Oh dont get me started on tires,and power to the ground.

2. They will break down, What you consider the basics are to keep this running ? So i dont end up with a paper weight. Correct me if im wrong does the gtr have carbon ceramic brakes? How long to they last? Is there a upgrade package from the factory ? If so then how much ?Please explain somethings to me

Supercar is no longer a word that you have to associate with "**** my wallet" after warranty runs out.

Last thing, I dont think people pay a premium for a high end car (which a gtr isnt) to see how much it will sell for later. I buy a car with the attention of driving it and using it for what it is, If no one buys it after then **** it whocares i still have a well maintained vehicle without having to go to the bank to grab some grinded up diamonds to line the oil filter.

Still a nissan, parts used arnt made from exotic materials that come regions unknown to the common man.
Who said anything about brake upgrades? I'm talking about OEM rotor/pad replacements after hard track days... Look it up, it's over $1000 per rotor from Nissan... Nobody is asking you to go to the bank and grab some diamonds to spend on your car, if you don't have the income then don't mess with expensive cars.

I don't think you understand what everyone is trying to say about maintenance on here, it's not about paying the dealer 50% more to do the labor for you, it's about paying for expensive OE parts to get the job done. I don't know why you posted that Stillen carbon brake upgrade... You pretty much contradicted your own argument by posting a 17k+ brake upgrade... I do most of the maintenance and upgrades on my car, that doesn't discount the fact that I still have to cough up the dough for parts!!! The prices are what they are.. if you have a problem with it and don't feel GTR parts are advanced or exotic enough then take it up with Nissan....
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My friend has a gtr. While he says its a cool car he would rather have his sc m3 back. A z06 on the other hand is cheaper, faster, (with a few bolt ons), and cheaper to maintain than our m3s.
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b cyrus---- Seriously... They only come in AT?! That can't be right....I hope.
All GT-Rs have the paddle shift gear box - none were offered with a manual transmission. The transmission was/is actually one of the big selling points of the car as the shifts are stuuuuupid fast. Sure you don't get the "old school" connected feeling as you cannot heel to downshift but it's hard to argue with performance.
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GTR is still a nissan, with supercar slapped on it. The build is where its at not the parts used to build.

I got Gallardo which is probably a good comparison, I can go take this to a dealership where I spend money to sit and be treated like VIP or I can take it to a smart well qualified person who can do the samething.


Someone show me where the $300 oil change goes, or Diff fluid change.
yea there are things that go wrong that you can only replace with a oem parts
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GTR is still a nissan, with supercar slapped on it. The build is where its at not the parts used to build.

I got Gallardo which is probably a good comparison, I can go take this to a dealership where I spend money to sit and be treated like VIP or I can take it to a smart well qualified person who can do the samething.


Someone show me where the $300 oil change goes, or Diff fluid change.
yea there are things that go wrong that you can only replace with a oem parts
Look, I see and respect your opinion so I'm not going to continue to argue with you nor argue which car (or supercar) is better. However, if you really look at the specs and lap times, the GTR destroys the Lamborghini Gallardo in every way. Supercars nowadays are made so advanced, and have such quick lap times, as well as 1/4 mile and 0-60 times, that the Gallardo is no longer considered a "supercar". Instead, it's considered an exotic car because it's rare and expensive. Just because it's a Lamborghini with a big price tag, doesn't make it a supercar, just like how most don't consider the Ferrari California a supercar (I know some may beg to differ, but I'm saying this in the same way someguy is arguing that a "Nissan" GTR is not a supercar). The Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV and Aventador, however, are most definitely supercars. Even then, the GTR has a more superior twin-clutch gearbox than Lamborghini Aventador's twitchy single-clutch gearbox.

In my opinion, a car has to meet certain performance standards in order to be called or considered a supercar, and they must come like that straight from the factory (no aftermarket turbo or s/c added on to make those numbers). For those that think the GTR is not a supercar because it's "just a Nissan", and that the price is ridiculous for no reason... you have to consider the fact that Nissan spent a ton of money researching and engineering this vehicle to meet the supercar standard and to compete with it's biggest rival, the 911 Turbo. So please don't sit there and tell me that the GTR is not technologically advanced because it's as advanced as they come. This is why the maintenance intervals for a GTR are similar to that of Ferrari or Lamborghini, to keep it's expensive high performance parts from failing. /rant
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Look, I see and respect your opinion so I'm not going to continue to argue with you nor argue which car (or supercar) is better. However, if you really look at the specs and lap times, the GTR destroys the Lamborghini Gallardo in every way. Supercars nowadays are made so advanced, and have such quick lap times, as well as 1/4 mile and 0-60 times, that the Gallardo is no longer considered a "supercar". Instead, it's considered an exotic car because it's rare and expensive. Just because it's a Lamborghini with a big price tag, doesn't make it a supercar, just like how most don't consider the Ferrari California a supercar (I know some may beg to differ, but I'm saying this in the same way someguy is arguing that a "Nissan" GTR is not a supercar). The Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV and Aventador, however, are most definitely supercars. Even then, the GTR has a more superior twin-clutch gearbox than Lamborghini Aventador's twitchy single-clutch gearbox.

In my opinion, a car has to meet certain performance standards in order to be called or considered a supercar, and they must come like that straight from the factory (no aftermarket turbo or s/c added on to make those numbers). For those that think the GTR is not a supercar because it's "just a Nissan", and that the price is ridiculous for no reason... you have to consider the fact that Nissan spent a ton of money researching and engineering this vehicle to meet the supercar standard and to compete with it's biggest rival, the 911 Turbo. So please don't sit there and tell me that the GTR is not technologically advanced because it's as advanced as they come. This is why the maintenance intervals for a GTR are similar to that of Ferrari or Lamborghini, to keep it's expensive high performance parts from failing. /rant
You miss the point of a "supercar" if all you are talking about is performance. While the GTR will certainly outperform many higher-priced cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Aston Martin (to name just 3), there is a certain emotional and visceral reaction that these cars must produce. It this context, a Ferrari 458 has "soul", history, and real character that the sterile GTR will never match, no matter how superbly engineered it is. The Ferrari stands as the realization of one man's vision, with all of its flaws and shortcomings. The GTR is a brilliant car, albeit one engineered by a committee. It has no real flaws, but it also lacks passion. It also lacks beauty and presence. It remains a Nissan, despite its performance credentials and price.
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Stick w/ your M. For the $30k still in your pocket you can buy a backup M3, and a SC and all the other go fast bits, then take what ever is left and send it to my paypal account as a consulting fee.

$30k is a bunch of cash, that's almost in the range of a used Ariel Atom, Caterham 7, ect. not to mention the things you can find on ebay motors in the sub $30k range are crazy. Then you'll have you M3 as a daily and a trackday/weekend car.
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