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Old 02-12-2013, 12:58 AM   #301
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I feel a deadlift is the single greatest strength lift benchmark
Why (..I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just playing devil's advocate )? One could say the same thing about the squat.

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Old 02-12-2013, 07:31 AM   #302
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Why (..I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just playing devil's advocate )? One could say the same thing about the squat.
I would agree that the squat is the single best indicator of overall strength. It seems like every so often you see people that happen to have a really big dead but a weak squat, but Never the reverse.

Big squat = big dead
Big dead =/ big squat

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Old 02-12-2013, 08:24 AM   #303
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Why (..I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just playing devil's advocate )? One could say the same thing about the squat.
Eh. Not really. Deadlift incorporates the entire body. Squat doesn't
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I deadlifted 480ish in high school and I didn't think it meant a thing. I don't think deadlifting helps anything other than wearing you out.
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I think the squat is a better indicator as upping your squat will usually up your deadlift, but not viceversa. I can increase my dead without deadlifting, but I can't say that for the squat
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:18 AM   #306
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I deadlifted 480ish in high school and I didn't think it meant a thing. I don't think deadlifting helps anything other than wearing you out.
that's a pretty insane deadlift for highschool? good for you

I believe the squat is the king of all exercises, and the greatest indicator of strength imo.

If performed to parallel or just below, the squat works your quads, hamstrings, calves, glutes etc. while involving your abdominals / lower & upper back for stability as well as shoulders & arms holding the bar.

You aren't squatting big numbers if your upper body & core isn't able to stabilize and support the weight etc... if you had a big leg press number but your upper body was weak you wouldn't be able to squat much for example, despite having strong legs.
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Why (..I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just playing devil's advocate )? One could say the same thing about the squat.
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I would agree that the squat is the single best indicator of overall strength. It seems like every so often you see people that happen to have a really big dead but a weak squat, but Never the reverse.

Big squat = big dead
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that's a pretty insane deadlift for highschool? good for you

I believe the squat is the king of all exercises, and the greatest indicator of strength imo.

If performed to parallel or just below, the squat works your quads, hamstrings, calves, glutes etc. while involving your abdominals / lower & upper back for stability as well as shoulders & arms holding the bar.

You aren't squatting big numbers if your upper body & core isn't able to stabilize and support the weight etc... if you had a big leg press number but your upper body was weak you wouldn't be able to squat much for example, despite having strong legs.
My lower back is fried on this new program. In a good way though.
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Squat > deadlift.
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Eh. Not really. Deadlift incorporates the entire body. Squat doesn't
How do you figure that? My entire body is wrecked after squats, ESPECIALLY after front squats.
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After heavy dead lift. I mostly hurt at hamstring glutes and back. Sometimes shoulder.
After heavy squats I can barely walk and glutes and lower back hurts upper body feels fine.
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How do you figure that? My entire body is wrecked after squats, ESPECIALLY after front squats.
That's weird because front squats get less of the body involved than back squats.
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Front squats should involve more of the body. It hits your core much more than back squats IMO. And the glutes
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Front squats should involve more of the body. It hits your core much more than back squats IMO. And the glutes
Back squat, as far as I always read gets way more of the back, full leg involved than the front squat. I could be wrong but I've experienced more "beat down" feeling from back squats than front.
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Back squat, as far as I always read gets way more of the back, full leg involved than the front squat. I could be wrong but I've experienced more "beat down" feeling from back squats than front.
Then you're not front squatting effectively/properly (..or heavy enough to truly realize how hard your body works to front squat).

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Then you're not front squatting effectively/properly (..or heavy enough to truly realize how hard your body works to front squat).
You've seen my form. I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right and almost fell over pushing myself hard lol
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You've seen my form. I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right and almost fell over pushing myself hard lol
I'd wager that the reason why you feel that your back squat is more taxing is because your front squat isn't very heavy. I promise you, when that weight gets heavy, you'll understand what we mean. The back squat doesn't blast your core like the front squat, and I'd wager that the CNS is worked harder during the front squat as well. I love the FS, but I experience anxiety on FS days. I know I'm going to get worked!

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I'd wager that the reason why you feel that your back squat is more taxing is because your front squat isn't very heavy. I promise you, when that weight gets heavy, you'll understand what we mean. The back squat doesn't blast your core like the front squat, and I'd wager that the CNS is worked harder during the front squat as well. I love the FS, but I experience anxiety on FS days. I know I'm going to get worked!
Front squat > back.
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I'm torn between front and back squats. I fear a max back squat much more than a max front squat, but a set of 5+, the back squat is much less frightening. Just so much easier to breathe I guess.
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I'd wager that the reason why you feel that your back squat is more taxing is because your front squat isn't very heavy. I promise you, when that weight gets heavy, you'll understand what we mean. The back squat doesn't blast your core like the front squat, and I'd wager that the CNS is worked harder during the front squat as well. I love the FS, but I experience anxiety on FS days. I know I'm going to get worked!
I dont know man. 205lb front squat to me may feel like a 300lb front squat for you so "heavy weight" is relative. I do know what I am capable of. Maybe I'll have a better understanding when I start front squatting again but I believe there is a reason people say the "back squat is the king of all lifts" rather than the front squat.

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I'm torn between front and back squats. I fear a max back squat much more than a max front squat, but a set of 5+, the back squat is much less frightening. Just so much easier to breathe I guess.
that's the only thing reason that I would consider it "worse" than a back squat. Taking a big breath with weight on your shoulders is tough.

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I dont know man. 205lb front squat to me may feel like a 300lb front squat for you so "heavy weight" is relative. I do know what I am capable of. Maybe I'll have a better understanding when I start front squatting again but I believe there is a reason people say the "back squat is the king of all lifts" rather than the front squat.
I guess my point is that if your entire abdominal region/lower back/glutes/hips/pelvis (..adductors should be on fire)/quads.....and to some degree, your shoulders aren't feeling it after a front squat session, there is a missing component somewhere. Maybe the sheer volume of how I lift exacerbates the this, but I noticed it from the moment I began front squatting.

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