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Old 11-28-2012, 01:45 PM   #61
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U made a lot of assumptions and I think u r putting words in my mouth.

Where did I say I will murder an injured person. Heck, even in war....when the enemy is wounded and gives up fighting then is is now consider not a threat and u r obligated to aide him.

Let me say this to u again. Regardless what the law say about me owning a gun or whether I have the right to defend myself (castle law)....if anyone is going to break I to my house and if I feel that u r a threat to me or my baby then I am going to SHOOT to Kill.

I am not like u or your other buddy who insist i wait for the robbers to move around so I can get in a non lethal shot in.


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No one here said you shouldn't respond to a threat with potentially lethal force. If the guy in the article had stopped firing when the perp went down, the tone of this thread would be very different. The "helpless senior" executed both teens after any potential threat had been stopped and that's what we are calling murder. The fact you are trying to defend his actions is downright scary.

As an aside, your comments about age are hilarious given that you don't even spell out "are" and "you".
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:57 PM   #62
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im down for home defense. but home defensive executions? no way. i mean if i had the balls to do it at the time, if i shot and wounded someone and had them secured while someone was calling the cops, i might fart in their mouth but that would be the extent of it. that's execution enough. that is fart.exe
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:28 PM   #63
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I'd say that's implied when you mentioned you're going to donate to this guys defense fund.

Also, did you forget about the part where he waited until the next day to report it, because he didn't want to "bother" the authorities on Thanksgiving day?
I am never going to second guess anyone and play arm chair quarterback especially when it comes to life and death situations where there are endless outcomes and consequences that could occur in such a short period of time.

I wasn't there. I don't know how scared or nervous the poor guy felt. I don't know whether the thugs were wearing ski masks or banishing any weapons.

I love how the everyone here is playing judge, juror and executioner on the poor senior citizen. We don't know the all the facts, mitigating and
extunating circumstances behind the incident.

For.example, did u know that his house was robbed numerous time before this

I am.glad these kids.are not wasting our tax payer money being locked up or being put on probation for their criminal acts. Hope their death will warn others not to break into another person home with criminal intent.

When r the families,.friends and people on here stop trying to make excuses for their actions.


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Point out anyone who was making excuses for their actions?

You're right in the fact that we don't know how scared the home owner was, but he was collected enough to re-arrange their injured bodies and execute them point blank. You are missing the point of neutralizing the threat. At the point that they have been shot multiple times in the chest, and down on the ground, they are neutralized.


Edit: No need to respond, as you have demonstrated in numerous other threads your inability to comprehend basic discussions.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:35 PM   #65
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I am never going to second guess anyone and play arm chair quarterback especially when it comes to life and death situations where there are endless outcomes and consequences that could occur in such a short period of time.

I wasn't there. I don't know how scared or nervous the poor guy felt. I don't know whether the thugs were wearing ski masks or banishing any weapons.

I love how the everyone here is playing judge, juror and executioner on the poor senior citizen. We don't know the all the facts, mitigating and
extunating circumstances behind the incident.

For.example, did u know that his house was robbed numerous time before this

I am.glad these kids.are not wasting our tax payer money being locked up or being put on probation for their criminal acts. Hope their death will warn others not to break into another person home with criminal intent.

When r the families,.friends and people on here stop trying to make excuses for their actions.


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We're not trying to defend the perpetrators. We're trying to explain to you that the kids were shot to the point where they collapsed and then EXECUTED them.

Answer this question honestly: If you shot an intruder twice in the midsection and he hits the ground, screaming in agony while begging and pleading for his life, are you going to walk up to him and shoot him in the head just to "finish the job" (or whatever you want to say)?
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:55 PM   #66
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We're not trying to defend the perpetrators. We're trying to explain to you that the kids were shot to the point where they collapsed and then EXECUTED them.

Answer this question honestly: If you shot an intruder twice in the midsection and he hits the ground, screaming in agony while begging and pleading for his life, are you going to walk up to him and shoot him in the head just to "finish the job" (or whatever you want to say)?

I am not going to play your silly "what if game"

Also, For liability and the fear of self incrimination (as it was pointed and warned by a few wanna be lawyers on here), I am not and can't not answer that question.

Seriously, I don't know how I am going to feel that day in the future, what are the previous crime rates in the area, were there any home owner getting rape or murdered due to, are the criminals Kkk members or muslim extremists, were criminals making any additional verbal and physical threats toward me, are there more criminals coming in to reinforced their wounded friend, has.the.thug robbed me previously, is he armed, did he just kill my baby or cat before he begged for his life, etc

There are just too many variables.

Every actions I make (although they might be the same exact act) are always based on the situation and circumstances.

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1. He never yelled out a command "stop!" or tried in any way to avoid shooting these "thugs". While this may not be unlawful, I find it unethical, for the simple fact that these two young kids could have possibly been looking for help. I don't know the details on if he was catching them in the act of stealing, so I won't necessarily push this point.

2. He's admitted to "firing more shots than he needed to."

3. He was quoted saying "If you're trying to shoot someone and they laugh at you, you go again." Laughing at someone is not a threat, and does not mean you deserve another shot.

4. He didn't report it to authorities until the next day, because he didn't want to bother them on Thanksgiving.

5. He rearranged the bodies, and delivered a final kill shot to someone that had been shot numerous times, clearly hadn't brandished a weapon, and was fighting for a gasp of air. Execution.
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here is a pix of the guy, Nick Brady that the media and his friends/family are claming to be a such a good guy:



of course...the media will never show this picture because they want to pretend that these kids were angel.

also, i just read that these two might have bugarized or were linked to a few home break ins


the dude is a retired security officer for the state department.

he was in his basement and heard someone smashing his window. he heard footstep upstairs. since he didn't know how many people and whether they were armed or not.
he was already down stair and waited for the criminal to come to him (which is a great strategy for home invasion/break in. Don't sneak out to catch the thugs. wait for them to come to you). he was scared for his life and when he saw the opportunity he shot and neutralized the threat.

I am sure he didn't have time to say any of the silly stuff like, HALT..who goes there? state your intentions.

seriously...my husbad travels a lot and I am often home and night by myself with my newborn. If in the middle of the night I hear someone break into my house, I will grab my AR-15 (which is always next to my bed), call 911 and wait for the intruder to come into the master bedroom. Depending on the situation, whether I feel I am being threaten or not and the time I have to ID/confirm/verify the threat.....I will either SHOOT TO KILL or not shoot at all. Heck, it can either be santa clauss or my husband trying to sneak back and surprised me (of couse I would not shoot)

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What they "might" have done, or not done, is irrelevant.

Also, it's pretty uppity and judgmental of you to make an assumption of the guy. I don't see anything wrong....young guy with glasses on and a hat. What about that picture makes him a bad guy?
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Byron David Smith last worked for the State Department in 2006 and is now retired, according to a State Department spokesperson. Smith's job required technical expertise, the spokesperson said, and involved foreign travel. The State Department declined to provide any additional information about Smith's employment.

Prosecutors requested a high bail amount because Smith had lived abroad in cities such as Bangkok, Cairo and Beijing.

source: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...te-department/

I guess these little pricks messed with the wrong guy.
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two dirt bag teens tied to previous burgaries.

I guess their acts weren't so "isolated" and I guess these two shit bags weren't "angels" after all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nksgiving.html

The teen cousins who were shot and killed during an alleged home burglary on Thanksgiving Day have been tied to a similar break-in a day earlier, authorities said.

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Only in America do people rationalize that someone shouldn't be punished for a crime even when caught in the very act! Had they not been burglarizing a home they would still be alive. Greed got the better of them.

For those that keep harping about those "unarmed teens", I'm sorry, but someone smashes a window to get in my house and obviously either robs me or do me harm, I do not ASSUME they are unarmed. I PRESUME they have the means to do serious damage to me and mine, and I act accordingly.

Also, how is it that the family and friends keep excusing the students' behavior by saying "they're good people?" Good people DO NOT steal from senior citizens and this is why our American culture is going down the toilet. We have parents raising children in a way that convey to the kids- you can do no wrong. Breaking and entering is wrong.

It's always someone else's fault. That's why kids are as bad as they are today.... their parents blame everyone else!

Laughing at all the misguided anger and blame. The bad guys died and we should be celebrating that they are no longer able to terrorize senior citizens.

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Oh..it made sense now. How come I didn't see this sooner? You two could relate and defending these two thugs behavior because you also robbed helpless senior citizens in the past.

to the hollier than thou guy (that is you David), go teach ethics and moral judgement to these thugs/criminals. I don't steal and I especially don't try to abuse and exploit helpless senior citizens

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Read the full article. That shit's pretty chilling. Especially this little line (referencing Kifer):
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Brady's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles

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Brady's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles

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This flash guy's a bleeding idiot.. jes sayin'.
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