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Old 12-03-2012, 03:48 PM   #181
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It's not my fault your uneducated on environmental factors shaping the automotive industry. Stick to being an Apple fanboy.
I am more educated on the particulars shaping the industry. The fact that AMG, whom you called a small specialty manufacturer sold more engines through all divisions than BMW has with their ///M division, at least according to the 2010 numbers.

So if BMW's ///M division were to become a seperate more exclusive brand, or was marketed the way AMG is, they could afford to not water down their engines, and stick to the formula they always have.

What part of this do you not get?

Can you answer me on the VW Polo, or the deisel audi engines not making these shores? No? Why, I thought you were working "in the industry"...
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:53 PM   #182
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What the hell does Apple have to do with this? Your mind is warped.
I only brought up Apple as a model for good product design and philosophy. They nailed it and there is no denying that.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:38 PM   #183
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I only brought up Apple as a model for good product design and philosophy. They nailed it and there is no denying that.
Oh I wasn't talking to you. I like Apple products.

Casino is no lie was just being condescending, as usual.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:42 PM   #184
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The front end on the LCI B8 is so ugly. The older style is much nicer.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:30 AM   #185
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I am more educated on the particulars shaping the industry. The fact that AMG, whom you called a small specialty manufacturer sold more engines through all divisions than BMW has with their ///M division, at least according to the 2010 numbers.
You're quoting sales figures for one niche brand among dozens, not the evolution of engine design across all automotive brands in the context of regulatory measures. Furthermore, when you compare the number of models available in the AMG lineup vs. the the M lineup you're not exactly impressing anyone. BMW still holds the lead in sales worldwide over Mercedes and Audi. And that's current, not 2010.


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Old 12-04-2012, 07:41 AM   #186
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You're quoting sales figures for one niche brand among dozens, not the evolution of engine design across all automotive brands in the context of regulatory measures. Furthermore, when you compare the number of models available in the AMG lineup vs. the the M lineup you're not exactly impressing anyone. BMW still holds the lead in sales worldwide over Mercedes and Audi. And that's current, not 2010.


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2 things. First, post your source on sales numbers. Not BMWs total numbers, M division and AMG sales and engine sales.

Second, you are numb if you think an M car is not a niche market.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:52 AM   #187
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My aunts neighboor has an 09 a4...looks great but its had a fair amount of problems with the electrical system (thats all i know) already. So much of a problen, she's considering selling it. Love the s5, s4,(avant) rs4 and the even the a7. Just can't see myself not driving m and making the switch.......hmm
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2 things. First, post your source on sales numbers. Not BMWs total numbers, M division and AMG sales and engine sales.
I'm not arguing M vs AMG. I specifically stated total numbers. But here is your source:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/10/b...mercedes-benz/

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I never said it wasn't.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:14 AM   #189
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I'm not arguing M vs AMG. I specifically stated total numbers. But here is your source:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/10/b...mercedes-benz/
But I was. I was referring to the ability for the M division to differentiate themselves by using a different set of rules, much like the smaller niche market cars and engines sold by AMG and others.

Maybe that is the point you missed while you were trying to be whitty and condesending. Try reading and understanding instead of shooting your mouth off next time, K brah?

BMW may be leading in sales over all, but I see their new approach to the 1/3/4/5/6/7 and all M variations becoming too clouded. BMW could take a cue from Mercedes and make the M cars "different" and more in touch with their roots, since they are a small mark for the brand, although a powerful one. AMG did it. Audi somewhat does it with the S Line, and others do it. Dodge removed the Ram from their name plate, and the Corvette is not super exclusive, but still keeps large N/A motors and manual transmissions around, while the smaller, crappier cars sell to poor people.

that was my whole point. BMW has the money, time and abiliy to rewrite the 21st century... But they won't. And for that reason, many are moving to other platforms, or sticking with what they have, AKA... The E46 M3.
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Eh, I still think there's a much better flow to the audi nose, it has a nice even taper, where the bmw's look to have a bulge infront of the actual bumper beam.


Actually I find the BMW more attractive. Much more interesting to look at in my opinion - and those headlights are superb! I will say that I don't like how the hood ends abruptly just above the badge. Would look quite a bit more attractive if the hood ran all the way down and included the grills (a la e46).
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:58 AM   #191
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Actually I find the BMW more attractive. Much more interesting to look at in my opinion - and those headlights are superb! I will say that I don't like how the hood ends abruptly just above the badge. Would look quite a bit more attractive if the hood ran all the way down and included the grills (a la e46).
It was too expensive, so the new era of BMW cost cutting managers decided to nix it.
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The front end on the LCI B8 is so ugly. The older style is much nicer.
Gah you're right. The grille on the LCI is utterly massive, there was no need to add the hexagonal flares to it, making those honking flanks either side of the grille taking up the entire nose... The headlight's aren't all bad though.

This is crushing my dream of buying a factory new car. And why must the S5 weigh so god damned much!
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It was too expensive, so the new era of BMW cost cutting managers decided to nix it.
European pedestrian safety legislation is probably another reason for the change.
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Gah you're right. The grille on the LCI is utterly massive, there was no need to add the hexagonal flares to it, making those honking flanks either side of the grille taking up the entire nose... The headlight's aren't all bad though.

This is crushing my dream of buying a factory new car. And why must the S5 weigh so god damned much!
That was what I was trying to point out to you.

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European pedestrian safety legislation is probably another reason for the change.
At the beginning of the E90 generation I don't think the regs were so strict. And still I don't see why they couldn't include the kidneys in the hood, it looks much better that way and I don't think it has to change the shape.
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You're quoting sales figures for one niche brand among dozens, not the evolution of engine design across all automotive brands in the context of regulatory measures. Furthermore, when you compare the number of models available in the AMG lineup vs. the the M lineup you're not exactly impressing anyone. BMW still holds the lead in sales worldwide over Mercedes and Audi. And that's current, not 2010.


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I remember last month while I was headed home from work I heard a really nice Audi, and I think it was a 2012 s5 if I'm not mistaken--we were at the light and he decided to floor it and well daamn I couldn't believe the torque that thing had. It sounded amazing.Yea, I knew Audi's had/have a horrible reputation in the reliability field, but this made me want one.
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