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Old 11-30-2012, 01:17 PM   #21
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Never met anyone with a used/older Audi that did not have a complaint.
I get it that cars are not perfect, but Audi being a premium brand some these issue should not come up.
BMW also gets it that it's a good idea to build cars that are (relatively) easy to maintain because the car will hold value better.
I would love to get an RS4, incredible car, but the maintenance on that thing will make you sell a liver.
Or even the relatively pedestrian a4 v6. Look at the link below for how to replace timing belt and water pump
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Exactly, and its not just about the maintenance cost. Doing your own work on these cars is a headache - very unfriendly to DIYers.

YMMV based on model and job, but overall I would not own one again unless its warrantied. Like percisionx said, this won't happen for me as im the type of person who needs to be able to do my own work.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:49 PM   #22
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Exactly, and its not just about the maintenance cost. Doing your own work on these cars is a headache - very unfriendly to DIYers.

YMMV based on model and job, but overall I would not own one again unless its warrantied. Like percisionx said, this won't happen for me as im the type of person who needs to be able to do my own work.
Having to take the front of the car off for a timing belt would frustrate me to no end. I can't believe manufacturers still use timing belts these days. A chain is vastly superior.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:52 PM   #23
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NO! I actually also have a 2003 New Beetle Convertible in the family that was purchased new. The VW makes the BMW look as reliable as a bicycle!!

Luckily the VW has cheap parts and is not bad for a DIY mobile.

An Audi, I hear you should watch out.

If you want an Audi, LEASE IT!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:54 PM   #24
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My buddy had a built B5 S4 with Tial turbos and the whole bit, made 470awhp. He was always fixing something on that thing though, the best part is that every single job on the car starts with remove front bumper, drain radiator LOL
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:36 PM   #25
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When I was looking to buy my current car, I was considering an Audi S4 also. In the end I went with BMW largely because of exterior styling and overall driving experience. The interior of the Audi was a bit more attractive than the BMW but it wasn't enough to sway my purchase.

Later, my gf (who is now my wife), had an Audi TT. Absolutely LOVED driving that car but would never buy it. Great feel and handled superbly but it is just too small for a DD.

I'd consider an Audi... Hell, I'd give any car a fair shot... But they've all got big shoes to fill compared to my e46 - 10+ years and I *STILL* love driving my car - every time!
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:11 PM   #26
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I have a bit of a love-hate with Audis. Pretty compelling cars and I considered an A4 Quattro before buying my latest BMW (E46) but I would always be worried about maintenance. My most recent Audi was my wife's Allroad (now an MDX). It was a pretty great all rounder of a car but it was in the shop quite a bit and if it weren't for the warranty the costs would have been frightening. We liked it enough to pay to extend the factory warranty at 50K but I was sure to sell it before the warranty expired. Granted, the allroad can be a bit more problematic than other Audi models. I had several Audi loaners while the Allroad was in the shop and liked them all but like the Allroad, none of them are nearly stong in terms of feedback or driving dyanamics compared to their BMW couterparts. I have not driven every model of either brand but enough of each to say that this is generally the case. Also, unless you are in an S or RS model there is no exhaust note to speak of. I'd consider an Audi again but I wouldn't own one out of warranty untill it earned some confidence back in that regard.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:23 PM   #27
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I'd consider an Audi again but I wouldn't own one out of warranty until it earned some confidence back in that regard.
That's why you lease one!!

No need for extended warranty, everything covered hopefully by the bumper to bumper coverage. But what you really want is not to have to take anything to the dealer for repair while under warranty as it is a PITA.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:23 PM   #28
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I almost pulled the trigger on two Audi A4 1.8T's (B6) with 90-100k miles. So glad I decided to get the bimmer instead.....steering is definitely much better in the bimmer. Also, timing chains FTW!!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:32 PM   #29
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I had a VW before my BMW so I totally skipped the Audi step..to be me an Audi would be a step back..If anything I would be getting a Benz next..is only up from now
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:33 PM   #30
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I had a VW before my BMW so I totally skipped the Audi step..to be me an Audi would be a step back..If anything I would be getting a Benz next..is only up from now
I really like Benz styling on the C class. I have heard that their parts cost is ridiculous. I have no idea how they are to work on.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:41 PM   #31
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Spent 6-7 hours doing the VCGs on a 2.8L Audi motor last weekend.

Audi just keeps bolting parts together, with no thought of how they will ever be removed, until there's a driveable pile of parts. It's pathetic. There is almost zero forethought to their engineering.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:47 PM   #32
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Pros of owning an Audi:
The new Audi line up is absolutely gorgeous. Every car is stunningly beautiful. However, they all look the f-ing same. (BMW seems to be doing the same thing).
It's a German car. So everyone assumes you make a large sum of money.
The turbo Audis have a lot of hidden potential. Put a chip and intake into the B5 S4 and you have a really fun AWD DD.

Cons:
The interior. I get into my cousins 2.7t and I'm extremely confused. There are literally upwards of 20-30 buttons.
Extremely unreliable. 2 friends have a 2.7t, one had a B5 S4. Although they're quick, they're replacing parts all the time.
Older Audis are ugly as hell for the most part. I dislike the extreme roundedness.
I can't tell an A4 from an S4. The older generations anyway. The only distinct difference is the wheels...and they're like $200..

Everyone I know that has upgraded to a different car from an Audi, has enjoyed it. My friend that upgraded from the S4 to a new GTI seems to love the GTI a lot. They're nice cars, but overpriced anyway imo.

If I were to upgrade from a BMW, the only reasonable brands that come to mind are Porsche and Mercedes Benz. It's too tough to compete with this brand.
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:46 PM   #33
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Ive had 4 a4's 3 1.8T and one was a 3.0. there all a pain, harder to work on, parts are more expensive than bmw, even for OEM stuff, the 1.8t are really slow at first too however i like the audi because there solid cars...but i also hate them because of there stupid rubberized plastic buttons, they always wore off and looked cheap.
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:46 PM   #34
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I think if you're not daily driving then you can get an Audi...I know I will be looking to get myself an RS4 someday...just because I like the difference but won't be driving it on a daily basis since I have my ///M3 and ZHP...
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I'd buy an Audi 90 CS Quattro if I could find one... almost bought one a few years back. I would never buy one to DD though, I have some friends with Audi's and just like everyone else said, nothing but problems.
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Spent 6-7 hours doing the VCGs on a 2.8L Audi motor last weekend.

Audi just keeps bolting parts together, with no thought of how they will ever be removed, until there's a driveable pile of parts. It's pathetic. There is almost zero forethought to their engineering.
This is really funny. I wonder what a salesman at a dealer would say if you said these exact words to him while browsing cars.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:06 PM   #38
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+1 on the VW being better than the Audi. The Audi is an overly complex VW that is far harder to work on. I agree that the BMW is probably a step up as compared to the Audi.

At least the VW parts are fairly cheap and readily available. I just replaced the timing belt & some other things @ 75k just to cover the bases (yea, yea, yea, but 20 valves in a 4 cylinder interference motor I want to be proactive!) on my 1.8t VW Beetle Vert. For $280 I got timing belt, hydraulic timing belt tensioner, timing belt idler pulley, water pump with metal impeller (yes OEM is plastic like BMW), thermostat & gasket, OE Antifreeze, cam & crank seals, stretch motor mount bolts, serpentine belt & serpentine belt tensioner. So not too bad parts pricing.

I did not need to take the front of of the car apart on this to replace the timing belt, it was a bit tricky, but not bad.

Audi and some other VW's you pull the front bumper, radiator and a bunch stuff to do the job, makes it much more of a PITA.

Overall the 1.8t has not been a bad engine except for the oil pick up being clogged up with carbonized oil from the turbo. Too bad Mobil One changed every 5k or less this still happened. But at least that was only a $30 parts job and about 2 hours to pull the oil pan, replace the 2" oil pickup and clean everything up and put it back together. VW bought a lot of motors due to this, BUT you had to have IMPECCABLE service records for oil changes. If you did not get all your oil changes at the dealer, VW likely was not going to buy your motor!

The VW is giving me a new outlook to the BMW's of the same era!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:11 PM   #39
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I came this close to getting an s4 in nogaro blue..so glad I got an LSB m instead.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:12 PM   #40
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I have owned 3 audis, a 1993 URS4 and 2 b5 a4s. My first b5 had a bad tranny but apart from that never had any problems with any of them. I would buy an S4 again espicially anuother 2.2t or one of the new TT RS .

I have also had 2 e36 M3s a e36 328is and I am now driving a 2003 325xi.

The trick for audis is buy from a forum, from a guy who knows more then that craigslist guy.

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