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Old 02-15-2015, 10:30 AM   #1
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6spd manual trans hard to shift in 1st in winter

I can't or almost impossible to shift in 1st when cold.
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Its 2004 330Ci 6spd 85k miles original clutch. (No clutch slipping)
1) Difficult when trying to shift 1st in cold winter morning.
2) When warm, it gets better.
3) When engine OFF, all gears shift in smooth. (not linkage bushing)
4) When I bump rpm above 1000 and hold, it shift in 1st fine.
5) Preventive maint replaced slave cylinder
6) Replaced trans fluid with Redline D4 ATF.
7) Replaced engine mount and trans mount.

Is all manual hard to shift in cold winter?
Would replacing new clutch and components fix this issue or is this car trans normal?
Love to hear from 330Ci 6spd owners before I spend over $2000 replacing new clutch.
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Old 02-15-2015, 11:03 AM   #2
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I can't or almost impossible to shift in 1st when cold.
Here are more details
Its 2004 330Ci 6spd 85k miles original clutch. (No clutch slipping)
1) Difficult when trying to shift 1st in cold winter morning.
2) When warm, it gets better.
3) When engine OFF, all gears shift in smooth. (not linkage bushing)
4) When I bump rpm above 1000 and hold, it shift in 1st fine.
5) Preventive maint replaced slave cylinder
6) Replaced trans fluid with Redline D4 ATF.
7) Replaced engine mount and trans mount.

Is all manual hard to shift in cold winter?
Would replacing new clutch and components fix this issue or is this car trans normal?
Love to hear from 330Ci 6spd owners before I spend over $2000 replacing new clutch.
Pretty much "normal" from my experience. 2nd can also be difficult at cold temps as well. But do not attempt to downshift into 1st while rolling just worry about getting into 1st at a dead stop.

Also keep in mind if you are dealing with the current temps, these are pretty severe! 9F this morning in the Washington DC area, still under 15F at this moment. This is pretty "severe" for this area as we do not often have temps quite this low.
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Old 02-15-2015, 11:10 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply jfoj.
When shifting from 1st to 2nd I keep my foot on the gas paddle steady when shifting.
I find it the only way to shift smooth to 2nd without the notchy feel from the trans.
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Old 02-15-2015, 12:23 PM   #4
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Old 02-15-2015, 12:51 PM   #5
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Nothing unusual. Just cold weather peculiarities. Almost every car I've owned had trouble shifting in severe cold, then when warm is perfectly fine. Has something to do with the fluid viscosity where it's so thick it engages the synchros. Only benefit would come from having a heater for the transmission, or switching to a fluid more suited to cold weather. AMSOIL MTF helped with it in my Civic. Should give it a try.
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Old 02-15-2015, 03:25 PM   #6
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I can't or almost impossible to shift in 1st when cold.
Here are more details
Its 2004 330Ci 6spd 85k miles original clutch. (No clutch slipping)
1) Difficult when trying to shift 1st in cold winter morning.
2) When warm, it gets better.
3) When engine OFF, all gears shift in smooth. (not linkage bushing)
4) When I bump rpm above 1000 and hold, it shift in 1st fine.
5) Preventive maint replaced slave cylinder
6) Replaced trans fluid with Redline D4 ATF.
7) Replaced engine mount and trans mount.

Is all manual hard to shift in cold winter?
Would replacing new clutch and components fix this issue or is this car trans normal?
Love to hear from 330Ci 6spd owners before I spend over $2000 replacing new clutch.
I have this and I think it's normal. Big tip, start the car already in gear so you dont have to shift. At red lights try shifting back into 1st when the car is rolling slowly until the car is warmed up

What do you mean by #4?

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Old 02-15-2015, 04:51 PM   #7
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What do you mean by #4?
At stop, I spike my rpm between 1000 to 2000 and hold then shift into 1st gear works ok. Not perfect but seem to work with my car.
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Old 02-15-2015, 07:35 PM   #8
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Put some decent oil in it!
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:51 AM   #9
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Put some decent oil in it!
Can you be more specific. What brand and type?
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:07 AM   #10
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Its normal man... dont sweat it. Fluid wise Im using Redline MTL which is a more thicker oil too and just stay under 3k rpms before shes warmed up.

It was -17 this morning here in michigan... yikes!!!

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Old 02-16-2015, 11:06 AM   #11
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I am at CA. The winter here is around 50F. But the 1st gear is still difficult to get in when the car is cold. Strange thing is once you shift into any gear once, the following shift will get much easier. I am using Redline MT-90. Maybe it is still too thick even in CA. Next winter I will change to MTL or OE fluid.
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Old 02-16-2015, 11:17 AM   #12
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Got it, i may just have to get use to it.
Thanks guys
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Old 02-16-2015, 11:50 AM   #13
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I am at CA. The winter here is around 50F. But the 1st gear is still difficult to get in when the car is cold. Strange thing is once you shift into any gear once, the following shift will get much easier. I am using Redline MT-90. Maybe it is still too thick even in CA. Next winter I will change to MTL or OE fluid.

When I switched from the OEM oil into the RedLine (manufacturer specification ) my shifts became much harder on a cold transmission.
I'm going back to the oem oil or the pentosin.


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Old 02-16-2015, 12:22 PM   #14
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Though it's not a big deal most of time, it makes me really nervous when I am the first at a red light.
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:53 PM   #15
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Can you be more specific. What brand and type?
Redline, NEO, Motul, Millers Nanotech etc
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:54 PM   #16
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When I switched from the OEM oil into the RedLine (manufacturer specification ) my shifts became much harder on a cold transmission.
I'm going back to the oem oil or the pentosin.


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Incorrect viscosity Redline
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:55 PM   #17
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Its normal man... dont sweat it. Fluid wise Im using Redline MTL which is a more thicker oil too and just stay under 3k rpms before shes warmed up.

It was -17 this morning here in michigan... yikes!!!
Normal with the crap OEM oil yes. With better technology oils no.
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Incorrect viscosity Redline

Manufacturer recommended viscosity. The same one as the oem oil.
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:25 PM   #19
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Manufacturer recommended viscosity. The same one as the oem oil.
Which is?
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which is?

75w-80
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