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Old 12-18-2012, 10:29 PM   #1
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I'm sticking to BMW DIY from now on....

Saturday, I decided to change the timing belt in my wife's 2005 Kia Sorento. I pre-ordered the parts, checked the Kia forums, and felt like I was ready for the task. One day job, with Sunday as a buffer in case something went wrong.

Tonight, I am finally reassembling the front of the engine that I had to remove to get to the belt. OMG, what a PITA!

It took all day Saturday to get the belt ready to remove. I spent all day Sunday placing and removing the belt, trying to get the four camshaft sprockets to line up with the crankshaft sprocket. The passenger side camshafts are in a precarious position at TDC, and will spring 20 degrees out of position as soon as the tension is released from the belt. At the end of Sunday, I had everything lined up, turned the crank 2 revs back to TDC, and found the crank sprocket off by one tooth.

I took Monday off. My sanity was in question.

Tonight, I enlisted the help of my brother, mainly to have a calming influence around during the process. We got the belt lined up after two attempts, and started reassembly.

During the week, I only have about 3 hours per evening to work on the car. Two days into this week, my wife is wondering if she will ever get her car back.

I'm sick of working on this vehicle. I never get sick of working on my Bimmer.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:33 PM   #2
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:33 PM   #3
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Sounds like an obnoxious and altogether unrewarding job.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:52 PM   #4
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:55 PM   #5
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Umm try changing Timing chain on M62TU. 25hr job if you know what you are doing. Timing belt jobs are usually not hard at all. You should have taken VCG off and locked in the cams
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:59 PM   #6
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Umm try changing Timing chain on M62TU. 25hr job if you know what you are doing. Timing belt jobs are usually not hard at all. You should have taken VCG off and locked in the cams
I thought these things last a lifetime?

Anyways, on Audis you have to take out the entire engine when the chain tensioner fails.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:25 AM   #7
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Correct me if I'm wrong, a timing belt needs to be replaced every 40k-60k give or take. A timing chain (e46) is a life time.

Years ago when I had a 2g Eagle Talon (Eclipse) TSi AWD I had the timing belt snap on my way to work. Stupidly I didn't listen to a buddy of mine, Anywho after I gathered up all the parts and got a few fixed. We (mosly him) stripped her down and had her running within a few hours...

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Old 12-19-2012, 12:31 AM   #8
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Yeah it's a PITA. BMW has a chain BUT have fun repairing your subframe or vanos or...
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:03 AM   #9
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Why you didnt take the valve cover off and lock the cams is beyond me. No wonder it took so long. You're fightting gainst valve springs trying to keep the cams in a certain place then trying to put a belt on, its not going to work too well unless you have 3 arms.

And if you think that kia sucks and you love working on bmws, try doing a timing chain on any bmw v8, v10, v12 then get back to me. Hell its still a pain in the dick on our inline 6's id always rather change a timing belt than a timing chain. Honda guys have it easy.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:37 PM   #10
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BMW DIYs easy? Thats because most DIYs posted online are for easier jobs.

And you never get tired of working on your bimmer because it's a car you love. You dont love your wife's kia.

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Old 12-19-2012, 12:38 PM   #11
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I can change a timing belt on my brothers Scirocco in literally an hour.

Kia sucks.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:16 PM   #12
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kia is junk, that said, i go 100 miles on a belt and they still look in decent shape, gates or go home
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:28 PM   #13
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chains can get streteched. guides are made out of plastic and can wear. thats the expense
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:15 PM   #15
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2005 vehicles still having timing belts? I thought timing belts were replaced long time ago for chains...I thought this was a practice on all vehicles...guess not. Its like buying a 2013 car with no power windows...you would think it would have been implemented on all vehicles dating from 98 and up...heck my 96 Sentra has a chain.

OP I understand your frustration...I been there plenty of times...sucks especially when you only have the weekend to work on the car and no garage. The worse is the winter....cold and less day light. This is why I do everything I can on my cars before winter starts.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:20 PM   #16
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Try doing head gaskets on an E39 M5 twice.... Talk about not fun. That thing has 3 timing chains and each of the 4 Vanos have 10 bolts on them that have to be tightened down in increments.

Next time just trade the Kia off.

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Why you didnt take the valve cover off and lock the cams is beyond me. No wonder it took so long. You're fightting gainst valve springs trying to keep the cams in a certain place then trying to put a belt on, its not going to work too well unless you have 3 arms.

And if you think that kia sucks and you love working on bmws, try doing a timing chain on any bmw v8, v10, v12 then get back to me. Hell its still a pain in the dick on our inline 6's id always rather change a timing belt than a timing chain. Honda guys have it easy.
Yeah- except that 9/10 times the timing chain won't need to be changed when the belt will.
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you stay away from an m3 because of the engine?

that's a new one
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On trading the Kia.

I've intentionally avoided the M BMWs because of the engines. They are basically de-tuned racing engines. I love to drive them, but not enough to maintain one.
So you hate having to do a valve job every 30k miles? It take me 2 hrs lol. That's all the maint required on the engine itself.
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