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Old 12-04-2012, 01:20 PM   #21
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I'd be in for 22.5" mag wheels at $50 each. At the very least, You could sell them for $60/wheel.

And why are you looking at high end racing wheels for what sounds like every day truck use? For your budget, I'd think you'd just want steel wheels.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:21 PM   #22
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Raw aluminum alloy costs about $0.95/lb on the spot market. That doesn't include shipping. You're probably talking at least 25 lbs for a 22" wheel. I don't see how anyone could build you a rim for $45 when the raw material costs about half of that.
25 lbs for a 22.5 inch wheel would be wonderfully light.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:23 PM   #23
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Seriously am I?
Have you done the research?
Do you know the quantity Im looking for?
I know alot, i mean a shitload about Logistics work ,import/export...pretty much anything that involves moving products. Ive lol pretty much been gathering knowledge from a very young age.

LOL Im sorry but yes Magnesium alloy wheels are ludacris for what im suggesting $45/wheel is nuts from a start off point of view but its not impossible.
The raw material alone easily exceeds $45/wheel at any quantity with a wheel of that size. That does not even factor in machining and post-machining costs.

If you provided more details to the application I am sure I could convince you to go with aluminum instead.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:33 PM   #24
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Seriously am I?
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I know alot, i mean a shitload about Logistics work ,import/export...pretty much anything that involves moving products. Ive lol pretty much been gathering knowledge from a very young age.

LOL Im sorry but yes Magnesium alloy wheels are ludacris for what im suggesting $45/wheel is nuts from a start off point of view but its not impossible.

The whole concept of it being suitable for the application. Is it possible to be used the way im going to be using it for. Im heavily researching and doing my due diligence before doing something stupid.

Is $25/wheel for aluminum alloy too much to dream of? for 22.5x 8.5 or 22.5x10?

Correct me if im wrong because I dont know 100%, but I cant find a big enough reason why Magnesium alloys cant be used in this enviorment except for the fact for tire blowouts and fires. Which are non-issue most of the time because normal operations/policy will still make drivers and company maintenance check up tire and rims. Only thing im worried about is accidental blowouts which might cause a fire, even then these metals dont heat up as much as steel or aluminum. If they are safe enough for racing, why are they not safe enough for street use.

Once again all criticism, issues, or questions that might arise will be a great help.
You seem to lack some serious engineering understanding. Name some things that come with magnesium wheels...I'll help you...Porsche Carerra GT, Ducati bikes, etc. Notice anything? They are all lightweight. Having an escalade roll on 22"s with rubberband tires will instantly annihilate the wheels. You will also not be able to get a forged wheel for less than $200 a wheel, and a cast 22 will crack instantly.

As for the rest of your questions...ever been to a racetrack? Not too many potholes, manhole covers, debris, road plates etc on racetracks...
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25 lbs for a 22.5 inch wheel would be wonderfully light.
A 25lb cast 19" wheel is impressive. A 22" wheel weighing 25lbs would be sold for $1400 a wheel by HRE and them.
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You seem to lack some serious engineering understanding. Name some things that come with magnesium wheels...I'll help you...Porsche Carerra GT, Ducati bikes, etc. Notice anything? They are all lightweight. Having an escalade roll on 22"s with rubberband tires will instantly annihilate the wheels. You will also not be able to get a forged wheel for less than $200 a wheel, and a cast 22 will crack instantly.

As for the rest of your questions...ever been to a racetrack? Not too many potholes, manhole covers, debris, road plates etc on racetracks...
Back off dude. He's in logistics.
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OP, when you say $45 a wheel, do you mean labor (cost) to MAKE the wheel, or do you mean everything, material, labor, packaging and shipping the wheel?
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Back off dude. He's in logistics.
I'm just curious what on earth possessed him to become the new Sprewell.
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OP, when you say $45 a wheel, do you mean labor (cost) to MAKE the wheel, or do you mean everything, material, labor, packaging and shipping the wheel?
I'd be amazed if you can even package and ship a wheel of that size/weight for $45.
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Thanks, will do


Yes, truck wheels. You got from 22.5x8.5


Thanks, will they do mag alloy ?


40rims, no problem , but i want the cost down to like 30-45 wheel

If I can get under $45 a rim for a magnesium alloy, Im pretty much in business.
Style or looks is a non issue right now, just basic wheels so start it off. I appreciate everyones help.
Good luck.. The value of the magnesium alone to create a structurally sound wheel in those dimensions will be significantly more than the cost you're going for.

Plus the cost of design and machining...

I would say 99% of wheel shoppers looking for a 22" rim aren't necessarily interested in the benefits associated with magnesium rims, otherwise they wouldn't want rims that size to begin with.

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I'd be amazed if you can even package and ship a wheel of that size/weight for $45.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:44 PM   #32
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Just want you to understand something OP...

Here is how Rays wheels are made...forged from aluminum.....



You think this costs $45 bucks?
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You seem to lack some serious engineering understanding. Name some things that come with magnesium wheels...I'll help you...Porsche Carerra GT, Ducati bikes, etc. Notice anything? They are all lightweight. Having an escalade roll on 22"s with rubberband tires will instantly annihilate the wheels. You will also not be able to get a forged wheel for less than $200 a wheel, and a cast 22 will crack instantly.

As for the rest of your questions...ever been to a racetrack? Not too many potholes, manhole covers, debris, road plates etc on racetracks...
Im going to say please dont post anything in my threads if you are just going to assume ****. Who said anything about an escalade, i know i wasnt clear on what it will be used for, but wow just wow.

You put out some numbers there, (NO IDEA where you got those from, maybe your ass or unknown source)You will also not be able to get a forged wheel for less than $200 a wheel, and a cast 22 will crack instantly.


Mr. Engineer, im not an engineer im honestly a retard when it comes these things. So answer this what are the properties of Magnesium and Aluminum, when it comes down to wheels. Any wheel racing, or anything? How much stronger is a mag vs aluminum vs steel? Heat resistance? and longevity,how long will one wheel last (mileage)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy_wheel

here's a start for your research on wheel construction
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So answer this what are the properties of Magnesium and Aluminum, when it comes down to wheels. Any wheel racing, or anything? How much stronger is a mag vs aluminum vs steel? Heat resistance? and longevity,how long will one wheel last (mileage)
Ask this guy, he's good at gathering knowledge. I bet he's awesome at using Google too.

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somwguy... i already told you some properties of magnesium, forged magnesium is not as strong as forged aluminum when it comes to bending and sh1t like that, but its tons lighter... more vulnerable to corrosion.... basically, magnesium is usually reserved for dedicated race use, as in everyday use, the car it needs, usually snt convenient for the DD use.

while not on a car, ive ran aftermarket forged mag wheels on the streets and track, bent them and, repaired them. Trust me, theyre not somethign you just put on anything.
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Im going to say please dont post anything in my threads if you are just going to assume ****. Who said anything about an escalade, i know i wasnt clear on what it will be used for, but wow just wow.

You put out some numbers there, (NO IDEA where you got those from, maybe your ass or unknown source)You will also not be able to get a forged wheel for less than $200 a wheel, and a cast 22 will crack instantly.


Mr. Engineer, im not an engineer im honestly a retard when it comes these things. So answer this what are the properties of Magnesium and Aluminum, when it comes down to wheels. Any wheel racing, or anything? How much stronger is a mag vs aluminum vs steel? Heat resistance? and longevity,how long will one wheel last (mileage)
WTF else are you going to throw 22" wheels on other than big body sedans and escalades? I'm not the one trying to market a wheel not having a clue about a damn thing. For $45, you are going to get MAYBE some sh!tty chinese made wheels that will dent the first time you roll over some leaves. You have this idiotic notion that you can get a decent wheel made for $45, but yet, you didn't even know where to go to get the wheels made. As for the rest of your questions...I don't know, I'm not a wheel engineer, however, if I wanted to market a wheel, I would definitely know the answers to all of those questions before I even THOUGHT about having something made. A 22" wheel is for a specific market. The M3 guys aren't going to run and buy a 22x8.5 wheel of poor quality (far worse than OEM BMW wheels) so eventhough you weren't specific, I didn't need you to be...the only people that would buy your wheels are broke posers with no taste since they will be complete POS's at the $45 a wheel pricepoint (if that's even possible to make a wheel for that much...maybe Koenig)

You keep taking offense to everyone's comments but they are merely honesty that you don't want to hear. You are greatly overestimating your abilities and are trying to scheme some get rich quick scheme that won't work. Anywho, there is plenty of info in this thread, and there isn't anything else to add, so good luck to you.
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Are you targeting the aftermarket truck / SUV crowd or is this for some sort of heavy truck application (dumptrucks, tractor/trailers, etc) which will have more substantial weight and taller tire profiles?
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Are you targeting the aftermarket truck / SUV crowd or is this for some sort of heavy truck application (dumptrucks, tractor/trailers, etc) which will have more substantial weight and taller tire profiles?
Tractor Trailer wheels are not $45 bucks a piece and believe unlike regular car wheels, they have to pass certification.

http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/nor...t_225wheel.asp
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