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Old 12-11-2012, 10:08 AM   #21
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The GOP isn't going anywhere. There will be changes, but the entire party isn't going to be scrapped in favor of something new.
Perhaps not, but on a wide range of demographic trends at the very least, unless the GOP makes big and substantive changes, they will be increasingly marginalized. So while perhaps they won't be scrapped, ala the Whig Party, their influence and policies will be increasingly ineffectual unless they do undertake a major retooling. Not to become a Democratic clone, per se, but they do need a deep and major ideologic rethink if they wish to remain relevant in the future, much less the major policy driver.
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lol I think that answer is pretty clear, he's a flat out race-obsessed bigot.
LOL. You're mislabeling is a result of me bucking the status quo. It's ok you'll get over it son......until then keep playing checkers.

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Perhaps not, but on a wide range of demographic trends at the very least, unless the GOP makes big and substantive changes, they will be increasingly marginalized. So while perhaps they won't be scrapped, ala the Whig Party, their influence and policies will be increasingly ineffectual unless they do undertake a major retooling. Not to become a Democratic clone, per se, but they do need a deep and major ideologic rethink if they wish to remain relevant in the future, much less the major policy driver.
Eh, I'd say they just need a younger, more charismatic candidate, and they need to stop talking about rape.

Putting a dull old white guy up against a young vibrant black man will never work in today's America. Don't forget that the presidential election isn't about issues, it's a popularity contest. Who can appeal most to the most Americans?

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Americans who voted in November had zero idea what they were voting for outside of one major hot button issue for them. And even then, they probably only had a vague idea of where their candidate actually stood on that issue.
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Obama isn't going to lose the office. By 2016 he won't be running anymore.
I was implying that he would lose it for the Democrats.

The same way Bush lost it for the Republicans in 2008.
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I was implying that he would lose it for the Democrats.

The same way Bush lost it for the Republicans in 2008.
Bush lost it for the Republicans because he started an unpopular war that was still ongoing by the time he left office. This was further compounded by the economy taking a nose dive in 2008.

If the economy is in solid shape in 2.5 years then the Republicans might be in trouble.
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Bush lost it for the Republicans because he started an unpopular war that was still ongoing by the time he left office. This was further compounded by the economy taking a nose dive in 2008.

If the economy is in solid shape in 2.5 years then the Republicans might be in trouble.
The R's will do whatever they can to ensure this doesn't happen.






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Bush lost it for the Republicans because he started an unpopular war that was still ongoing by the time he left office. This was further compounded by the economy taking a nose dive in 2008.

If the economy is in solid shape in 2.5 years then the Republicans might be in trouble.
This is all correct. I was suggesting that Bush's low approval ratings and the economic collapse in the summer of 2008 soured people on anything Republican.

And the fact that they fielded a candidate that appeared tired and old , and his running mate was a ditzy dingbat did not help.
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And the fact that they fielded a candidate that appeared tired and old , and his running mate was a ditzy dingbat did not help.
What's that say about Romney considering more people came out to vote for McCain?
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What's that say about Romney considering more people came out to vote for McCain?
I think the 2008 election was overall more exciting, so more people were interested. You had Obama v. Hilary which was HUGE news every day and then you had a well-known opponent in McCain. Plus, Obama mania was running like the beatles just hit the USA. 2012 was a moderately unpopular incumbent running against wonder bread.
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Amazing that the author of this piece can look at others and proclaim them arrogant. The author is clearly a pompous ass with his head in the sand. Obama is "still winning"? Really? Obama's victory was by no means a mandate and this notion that the GOP has an extinct mentality is just preposterous.

What's extinct is the notion that you can win the white house on religion and abortion. People want sound fiscal policy and Romney wasn't able to give them that. Reason being, he's a businessman and not a politician. The sad truth is that he has all the fiscal sense in the world and lost the election to a man with ZERO private sector experience. A man who has run up debt and left us with a stagnant unemployment.. a man who continues to blame those issues on his predecessor four years after taking the white house.

Our economy won't improve. Our unemployment levels won't drop. We will continue to flatline over the next four years and, come 2016, Hilary will campaign with Bill and Barack at her back. And yet, despite an 8 year lull, the same people that voted Obama into office will still scream his name regardless of his results.

The typical Obama supporters stands behind him not for his accomplishments but rather, much like the Nobel morons, for the words he pounds through a microphone.. fed to him, as always, by a teleprompter.
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Amazing that the author of this piece can look at others and proclaim them arrogant. The author is clearly a pompous ass with his head in the sand. Obama is "still winning"? Really? Obama's victory was by no means a mandate and this notion that the GOP has an extinct mentality is just preposterous.

What's extinct is the notion that you can win the white house on religion and abortion. People want sound fiscal policy and Romney wasn't able to give them that. Reason being, he's a businessman and not a politician. The sad truth is that he has all the fiscal sense in the world and lost the election to a man with ZERO private sector experience. A man who has run up debt and left us with a stagnant unemployment.. a man who continues to blame those issues on his predecessor four years after taking the white house.

Our economy won't improve. Our unemployment levels won't drop. We will continue to flatline over the next four years and, come 2016, Hilary will campaign with Bill and Barack at her back. And yet, despite an 8 year lull, the same people that voted Obama into office will still scream his name regardless of his results.

The typical Obama supporters stands behind him not for his accomplishments but rather, much like the Nobel morons, for the words he pounds through a microphone.. fed to him, as always, by a teleprompter.
On the surface Romney looks like a sound businessman. When you actually know his past business dealings he's no different than the speculators on Wall Street that tanked the economy with sub prime loans and debt-swaps.

There is a difference between running a business and diverting funds long enough to reap a profit, pull out and then allow the company to go belly-up.

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Amazing that the author of this piece can look at others and proclaim them arrogant. The author is clearly a pompous ass with his head in the sand. Obama is "still winning"? Really? Obama's victory was by no means a mandate and this notion that the GOP has an extinct mentality is just preposterous.
It is undeniable that the GOP needs to change it's platform if it wants to be successful. They claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility on paper, yet in action they are anything but. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to act serious. They need to keep their traps shut about anything to do with womens health issues and anything social, for the most part.

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What's extinct is the notion that you can win the white house on religion and abortion. People want sound fiscal policy and Romney wasn't able to give them that. Reason being, he's a businessman and not a politician. The sad truth is that he has all the fiscal sense in the world and lost the election to a man with ZERO private sector experience. A man who has run up debt and left us with a stagnant unemployment.. a man who continues to blame those issues on his predecessor four years after taking the white house.
He has all the fiscal sense in the world for the private sector, which can be argued. With that said, private sector =/= public sector. There is no proof that his successes in the business world would have automatically meant success in the public world.


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The typical Obama supporters stands behind him not for his accomplishments but rather, much like the Nobel morons, for the words he pounds through a microphone.. fed to him, as always, by a teleprompter.
Sounds like anyone who voted for McCain/Palin.
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I If they want to be taken seriously, they need to act serious. They need to keep their traps shut about anything to do with womens health issues and anything social, for the most part. .
We can agree on this. Move on from the social issues and recognize that you WON'T win the election by splitting into a pro-choice/pro-life argument (or one around gay rights). Harp on fiscal irresponsibility.

As for the GOP and fiscal responsibility, you need to keep in mind the wars faced by our last two republican presidents, and the security issues faced by RR before jumping to conclusions. If I attack Obama's spending, you'll likely find a hundred reasons to defend it (one which will be "well the military budget.....").. but many of those are equally applicable to W and his administration.. to say otherwise is unfair.

And FWIW, the younger fiscally sound republicans are a far cry from W.

Regardless, the author of this article is batsh*t pompous.
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Amazing that the author of this piece can look at others and proclaim them arrogant. The author is clearly a pompous ass with his head in the sand. Obama is "still winning"? Really? Obama's victory was by no means a mandate and this notion that the GOP has an extinct mentality is just preposterous.
I actually stopped reading after that part, amateur hour.
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Amazing that the author of this piece can look at others and proclaim them arrogant. The author is clearly a pompous ass with his head in the sand. Obama is "still winning"? Really? Obama's victory was by no means a mandate and this notion that the GOP has an extinct mentality is just preposterous.

What's extinct is the notion that you can win the white house on religion and abortion. People want sound fiscal policy and Romney wasn't able to give them that. Reason being, he's a businessman and not a politician. The sad truth is that he has all the fiscal sense in the world and lost the election to a man with ZERO private sector experience. A man who has run up debt and left us with a stagnant unemployment.. a man who continues to blame those issues on his predecessor four years after taking the white house.

Our economy won't improve. Our unemployment levels won't drop. We will continue to flatline over the next four years and, come 2016, Hilary will campaign with Bill and Barack at her back. And yet, despite an 8 year lull, the same people that voted Obama into office will still scream his name regardless of his results.

The typical Obama supporters stands behind him not for his accomplishments but rather, much like the Nobel morons, for the words he pounds through a microphone.. fed to him, as always, by a teleprompter.
The author is a woman Chase...
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We can agree on this. Move on from the social issues and recognize that you WON'T win the election by splitting into a pro-choice/pro-life argument (or one around gay rights). Harp on fiscal irresponsibility.

As for the GOP and fiscal responsibility, you need to keep in mind the wars faced by our last two republican presidents, and the security issues faced by RR before jumping to conclusions. If I attack Obama's spending, you'll likely find a hundred reasons to defend it (one which will be "well the military budget.....").. but many of those are equally applicable to W and his administration.. to say otherwise is unfair.

And FWIW, the younger fiscally sound republicans are a far cry from W.

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wow, I can agree with this.

Good work Chase, a very reasonable post.

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