Martin Luther King on “right to work” very revealing

Originally Posted by rdsesq

Exactly. Why should somebody invalidate a contract if it is not in their interest to do so. (take a loss in benefits, wages, etc...)

Some people are talking like the unions should do mgmt a "favor" and re-do the legally binding contract, just because the mgmt can't be profitable under that contract. That is not labor's issue nor is it labor's fault.

Thinking a union should re-do their contract to help mgmt be profitable is as silly as asking somebody to re-fi their house at a higher rate so the bank can be more profitable. "Hey, corporation....you entered into a legally binding contract. Now it sucks to be you....well tough $h!t." Companies will lay people off at the drop of a hat to save a penny on earnings the next qtr and think nothing of it. Then they want labor to "play nice" and help them out and think of the community. Bleep that.

No contracts can be legally "re-done" and I'm unaware why you are regurgitating this.
Like I said earlier, this has nothing to do with the repercussions of a union and right to work laws.

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Thinking like Lair now...

Child...please.

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Unions should have some consideration and not be greedy grubbing hustlers.

In all seriousness, why?
We have clearly seen that corporations have very little regard and consideration for labor. And that is OK, they are free to do so. But, I don't want to hear the pi$$ing and moaning when the shoe is on the other foot.

Originally Posted by Green_Shine

No contracts can be legally "re-done" and I'm unaware why you are regurgitating this.
Like I said earlier, this has nothing to do with the repercussions of a union and right to work laws.

You are the one who said

Originally Posted by Green_Shine

Unions who demand a grotesque amount of money over the fair market value for a position only leave two options - pass the cost to the consumer, which hurts sales. Or create an inferior product with limited options of production because a company's hands are tied paying over priced labor. Which hurt sales.

If a union can negotiate a contract for labor and mgmt agrees to the deal, that is fair market value.

There is a third option. Don't agree to the union contract. Nobody is putting a gun to the heads of these people and forcing them to sign. It is like NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB owners b!tching about player salaries. You don't think they are worth that much, don't pay that much. Show some self-control.

Originally Posted by rdsesq

Child...please.


In all seriousness, why?
We have clearly seen that corporations have very little regard and consideration for labor. And that is OK, they are free to do so. But, I don't want to hear the pi$$ing and moaning when the shoe is on the other foot.

You weren't supposed to pick apart my statements. They went hand in hand. I should have said: "In the words of Lair...". It wasn't directed towards you. I was trolling like Lair lol.

And old man I'll whoop your ass in living the longest starting from this moment on.

Originally Posted by rdsesq

Exactly. Why should somebody invalidate a contract if it is not in their interest to do so. (take a loss in benefits, wages, etc...)

Some people are talking like the unions should do mgmt a "favor" and re-do the legally binding contract, just because the mgmt can't be profitable under that contract. That is not labor's issue nor is it labor's fault.

Thinking a union should re-do their contract to help mgmt be profitable is as silly as asking somebody to re-fi their house at a higher rate so the bank can be more profitable. "Hey, corporation....you entered into a legally binding contract. Now it sucks to be you....well tough $h!t." Companies will lay people off at the drop of a hat to save a penny on earnings the next qtr and think nothing of it. Then they want labor to "play nice" and help them out and think of the community. Bleep that.

Staggering, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Lair

Staggering, isn't it?

Do you always just agree or do you have your own opinion? You are the definition of a political sheep if it ever did exist.

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Do you always just agree or do you have your own opinion? You are the definition of a political sheep if it ever did exist.

You republicans are having a tough week, eh?

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Nicely put

Originally Posted by Lair

Nice. So you work for GM?

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Maybe

Do you work for GM ?
What do they have for engineers in Williamsburg, VA ?
Do you work at the Pottery shop or do you work in Colonial Williamsburg driving a horse drawn carriage ?

Originally Posted by Raymond42262

Do you work for GM ?
What do they have for engineers in Williamsburg, VA ?
Do you work at the Pottery shop or do you work in Colonial Williamsburg driving a horse drawn carriage ?

I actually work as a 17th century reenactor blacksmith making fasteners and rivets for GM right here in WB. Carriages are out cars are in.

Originally Posted by rdsesq

You are the one who said


If a union can negotiate a contract for labor and mgmt agrees to the deal, that is fair market value.

There is a third option. Don't agree to the union contract. Nobody is putting a gun to the heads of these people and forcing them to sign. It is like NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB owners b!tching about player salaries. You don't think they are worth that much, don't pay that much. Show some self-control.

I never once mentioned breaking a contract.

It's not as simple as someone like GM not signing a union contract, there are thousands of people who are in the union and production must continue. When it is time for contract renewals the unions simply demand more and more regardless of corporate profits, any resistance is played down to the union members from the union reps as corporate greed and thus the hate towards the corperation continues. Unions threat to halt production with a collective strike which leaves a company no choice but to meet the demands. It literally is mob mentality with no regard for the corperation. GM going bankrupt was the best thing that happened to them, it allowed them to wash off their ridiculous union contracts.

Are the laborers of a union important to a corperation? Absolutely but when the threshold of their demands cross the threshold of their competition and market value is exceeded profits will diminish. The cycle continues even as these employees retire. If could maintain a happy medium, everything would work out smoothly.

RTW gives the employee the ability to not pay a single dime to the union through union dues or 95% costs of dues known as an agency fee. All costs are voided, it allows the employee to freely continue to work as union members strike. My wife is a teacher and a lot of her coworkers are already talking about not paying dues. They are p!ssed at the union heads making 6+ figures.

Originally Posted by Lair

Staggering, isn't it?

You cherry pick who and what to quote so it fulfills your brainless rhetoric. You provide no intellictual substance what so ever to a conversation. I can understand why troll a internet forum, your old ass would get a hip broken in the real world.

Originally Posted by Green_Shine

You cherry pick who and what to quote so it fulfills your brainless rhetoric. You provide no intellictual substance what so ever to a conversation. I can understand why troll a internet forum, your old ass would get a hip broken in the real world.

Yeah, the real world is whipping my ass.

Don't fault me for playing to my audience. I learned long ago that little punks like you will have to figure it out for yourselves - and I spend an appropriate amount of time and effort trying to help you.

Originally Posted by Lair

Yeah, the real world is whipping my ass.

Don't fault me for playing to my audience. I learned long ago that little punks like you will have to figure it out for yourselves - and I spend an appropriate amount of time and effort trying to help you.

I'm happy with my life so far at the young age I am. I'm fortunate to have come from very little and have more than most my age.

What are you trying to prove?

Originally Posted by Lair

Yeah, the real world is whipping my ass.

Don't fault me for playing to my audience. I learned long ago that little punks like you will have to figure it out for yourselves - and I spend an appropriate amount of time and effort trying to help you.

You speak of the wisdom which comes with age but display none of your own.

You're right. I haven't learned a goddamned thing after watching republicans fvck up the planet every time they gain power.

Originally Posted by Green_Shine

You cherry pick who and what to quote so it fulfills your brainless rhetoric. You provide no intellictual substance what so ever to a conversation. I can understand why troll a internet forum, your old ass would get a hip broken in the real world.

Originally Posted by Lair

You're right. I haven't learned a goddamned thing after watching republicans fvck up the planet every time they gain power.

i think there won't be a better example from Lair than this one.

My father worked in the steel industry which feed the auto makers. His plant was unionized. I can't even begin to count how many times they were on strike in support of the UAW. He finally gave up being in the union because he wanted to work. The plant finally closed because auto manufactures started buying from overseas. So where did a union get him after 30 plus years with the same company? Jobless!!! Every person hired, regardless of job title should have their own individually constructed contract. Year to year. Subject to annual reviews and performance. Right person for the job!

Every business man or woman who put their hat in the ring for president, has been put out. Perot, Cain, Romney, just to name a few since I became able to vote.

Now look same jerk in office and problems keep growing.

What's the record for replying to oneself in a thread?

I thik is soo funny that most of the dems are about freedom of choice, but when it comes to mandatory union member ship they feel you should not get that choice.