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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Yes 11 6.51%
Fvck No 100 59.17%
There should be more regulations but not taken away completely 36 21.30%
I dont care 4 2.37%
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:33 AM   #1021
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Says who? We are discussing the murder of children, so it's fair game. Just because it makes you uncomfortable calling abortion murder does not make it less that murder.
I think the policy of E46Fanatics and its moderators say so. This a forum with topics and subforums. If you would like to discuss another topic-start another thread.


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Old 12-21-2012, 05:43 AM   #1022
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Only thing I want to add to this "discussion" - you guys who are talking about having guns to protect yourself from the government, you're assuming we (the military) would follow orders to go to war with American civilians.

I wouldn't, nor would any other soldiers I know. We're Americans too, as are our families. Same team, so relax with the civil war scenarios. Police may be another story, but the line between military and LE is pretty thin anyway.

For the record, I'm pro gun ownership.
You sure about that? Isn't it really more a case of which side you believe in more? How much will you have to agree with the other side in order to be the first in your unit to break ranks? What if you're the only one?

I'm sure you've seen it happen before, but most military operations in a civil support role are not black and white. There is a clear ROE/EOF, but the situations are fluid, and can easily escalate across the spectrum of operations.

Katrina is a perfect example. We're there to do nothing but help, but there were a couple instances where we had to transition into a defensive position because some wacko decided to take a shot at us.

This is not a world of Disney villains we live in. You can't identify the bad guys just because the wear black and purple and they have an abnormally long face. If you haven't already, I would spend time thinking about how much it would really take for you to betray your unit, or to openly bear arms against them. It's probably not as clear as you'd like it to be.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:07 AM   #1023
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I don't' think the argument that our military would never turn their guns upon us is valid, Obama has already ordered the death of citizens abroad...and gone through with it.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:10 AM   #1024
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Think just a little further outside the box on occasion.
I never once said that accountability is something that should not be upheld, but your solution to this problem ie, what you posted does not help in the Sandy Hook shooting. That is my point.

I think we gun owners have thought more outside the box than many other people. We think about home invasion situations, and where we want to be, and how to protect our families. We think about more than the shiny bullets in the mag. We think about access if needed, and what we can do and what we should do. We think about dealing with the police if they are called because some frightened guy like you sees our gun on us at a store. We think about things like the guy did in the mall... Too many persons behind to hit, not a clear shot.

So please, don't talk about thinking outside the box. You attempted to, and your laws and logic you were putting into it did not fit this scenario and would be worthless. Blame the parents all you want, which seems to be something that is happening more and more. Fine the parents because the child has health issues and misses school. Blame the parents because the kid did something really stupid. It is not the other persons fault, it's the parents. You're just mad the killer found a loophole to not be held accountable, so your think someone should have to pay.

I am all for this "accountability" clause for children under the age it takes to get a hunting license. After that, the person handling the weapon should be able and free to make choices. It is not black and white here, and this issue will never be.

So, has anyone thought of a law that will make criminals not commit murder? Anyone? What law could we make that will stop all gun violence in america tomorrow with the stroke of a pen?
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I dot think the argument that our military would never turn their guns upon us is valid, Obama has already ordered the death of citizens abroad...and gone through with it.
Huh? So you are saying he wouldn't because he has already done it?

And if you are referring to Benghazi, or some other "failed" protection, you are reaching.
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I think we gun owners have thought more outside the box than many other people. We think about home invasion situations, and where we want to be, and how to protect our families. We think about more than the shiny bullets in the mag. We think about access if needed, and what we can do and what we should do. We think about dealing with the police if they are called because some frightened guy like you sees our gun on us at a store. We think about things like the guy did in the mall... Too many persons behind to hit, not a clear shot.
Was Ms. Lanza part of "we". Why didn't she think about locking up her guns? Or is she not "we" all of a sudden?

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So, has anyone thought of a law that will make criminals not commit murder? Anyone? What law could we make that will stop all gun violence in america tomorrow with the stroke of a pen?
Has anyone thought of a law that will make pedophile rapists not rape children? Anyone? What law could we make that will stop all child rape in america tomorrow with the stroke of a pen?

Clearly, we must let pedophile rapists do whatever they want...
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:37 AM   #1027
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Has anyone thought of a law that will make pedophile rapists not rape children? Anyone? What law could we make that will stop all child rape in america tomorrow with the stroke of a pen?

Clearly, we must let pedophile rapists do whatever they want...
The laws that we need for punishment are ALREADY in place (murder, rape, etc)

The laws proposed are not meant for punishment but to try to prevent (limit mag size, possession, ban accessories, etc)

They are the pointless ones that only hurt the law abiding.

To fit your analogy... It would be like creating a law that says a convicted child molester can't come within 1000 feet of a school... Oh yea...
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To fit your analogy... It would be like creating a law that says a convicted child molester can't come within 1000 feet of a school... Oh yea...
How would you feel about allowing them to work in schools?
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Huh? So you are saying he wouldn't because he has already done it?

And if you are referring to Benghazi, or some other "failed" protection, you are reaching.
No, I'm referring to the drone strike on an American Citizen that Obama authorized. No trial, no capture, drone strike.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2012438.html
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How would you feel about allowing them to work in schools?
Child molesters? You're asking a guy that wants the death penalty for them
(After they properly refine the offense) peeing on a tree or streaking is not a sex offender. Touching a kid is
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Child molesters? You're asking a guy that wants the death penalty for them
(After they properly refine the offense) peeing on a tree or streaking is not a sex offender. Touching a kid is
So clearly there are things that we can look at to reduce the odds of a child getting molested...
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So clearly there are things that we can look at to reduce the odds of a child getting molested...
oddly, we never look into banning hands
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So clearly there are things that we can look at to reduce the odds of a child getting molested...
Yes, after the fact. Making a person pass a background check or waiting 30 days to be around children or limiting the amount of condoms they can buy wont
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Guys their eyes are blocked by scales. You cannot reason with them so move on and do what you believe is right to protect yourself and family. I know that I will be prepared should I need to be at home or on the road, end of story.
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Says who? We are discussing the murder of children, so it's fair game. Just because it makes you uncomfortable calling abortion murder does not make it less that murder.
This thread is discussing laws about guns.

Start an abortion thread if you want to, I'm absolutely certain you'll get a ton of replies and have a tempestuous discussion. It'll be a grand old time.

It's not within your abilities to make me uncomfortable with any kind of discussion or debate. Don't flatter yourself by thinking your idiotic statements would have such an affect on me.
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oddly, we never look into banning hands
Many cities and states across the United States have hand-free zones on roads.
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Guys their eyes are blocked by scales. You cannot reason with them so move on and do what you believe is right to protect yourself and family. I know that I will be prepared should I need to be at home or on the road, end of story.
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I'm just about done trying to help people and I'm sitting very comfortable right now

Don't complain later
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I'm just about done trying to help people...
There is a difference between helping and having a burning need to have people think exactly as yourself. Perspective is reality.
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Guys we should stop this debate really. This is how I see it:

Gun owners will protect themselves with a gun.

Non gun onwers will point to the no gun signs and call the police to protect themselves.

End of discussion, its a choice. I decide to arm myself, you decide not to. I am not going to convince you and you should not try to take away my guns.

Done deal
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Guys we should stop this debate really. This is how I see it:

Gun owners will protect themselves with a gun.

Non gun onwers will point to the no gun signs and call the police to protect themselves.

End of discussion, its a choice. I decide to arm myself, you decide not to. I am not going to convince you and you should not try to take away my guns.

Done deal
That's a rather dichotomous and simplistic view. You take a presumption approach to how all gun owners view gun control or a lack thereof.

It's not an all or nothing approach for many. So don't treat it as such.
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