New shooting. Can anyone defend owning assault weapons?

Originally Posted by dwass325

Very true. I've been amazed at how many people don't know what "semi-automatic" actually means.

It's typically ALWAYS the anti-gunner organizations (Ceasefire, Brady, Bloomsberg, MAG, etc)

Scary that the most vocal ones against guns know the absolute LEAST about them.

It's no wonder why stupid fcxking laws like this are passed.

As used in sections 2923.11 to 2923.24 of the Revised Code:
www.handgunlaw.us
(A) “Deadly weapon” means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon.
(B)(1) “Firearm” means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant. “Firearm” includes an unloaded firearm, and any firearm that is inoperable but that can readily be rendered operable.
(2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may rely upon circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm.
(E) “Automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges.

You wonder why responsible people get arrested and deprived of liberty even when they try their absolute best to learn and follow the law. Try navigating ever changing crap like this...

The definition of "automatic" is a "semi-automatic" gun only of it can hold 31+ rounds, unless that gun shoots a .22

Yeah, kinda of like California laws. Apparently if your rifle has a thumbhole stock, that's enough reason to confiscate your rifle and throw you in jail. How a thumbhole stock makes a rifle any more dangerous is still a mystery to me.

Most of this anti gun crap is a mystery to me...

Originally Posted by JonJon

It's typically ALWAYS the anti-gunner organizations (Ceasefire, Brady, Bloomsberg, MAG, etc)

Scary that the most vocal ones against guns know the absolute LEAST about them.

It's no wonder why stupid fcxking laws like this are passed.



You wonder why responsible people get arrested and deprived of liberty even when they try their absolute best to learn and follow the law. Try navigating ever changing crap like this...

The definition of "automatic" is a "semi-automatic" gun only of it can hold 31+ rounds, unless that gun shoots a .22

I keep up on the laws the best I can and I've never heard that one before...wow

Here's what I can't find when discussing this topic. Noone seems to be able to give an accurate definition of what an "Assault Rifle" is. There doesn't seem to be a general concensus. Just because an AR15 looks like an M16 doesn't mean it's an "Assault Rifle"; Toyota races a "Camry" in NASCAR, that doesn't mean all "Camrys" are race cars. They may look similar, but they are not the same.

As per CT definition:

Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 Carbien type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 Series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; USI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol.

2. A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (1) or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (1) may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

3. Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

i. a folding or telescopic stock;

ii. a pistol grip;

iii. a bayonet mount;

iv. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

v. a grenade launcher.

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

i. an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

ii. a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

iii. a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

iv. a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

v. a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

i. a folding or telescoping stock;

ii. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

iii. a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

iv. an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

4. A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3), or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3), may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

Source: General Statutes § 53-202a (a) (applies to §§ 53-202b -- 202k).

Commentary: The term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable. General Statutes § 53-202a (b).

And in NC
What are the relevant laws regarding Assault Rifles in North Carolina?

A: Assault rifles (the real ones) are select-fire battle rifles available only to military and law enforcement. "Select-fire" means that they can be switched between semi-automatic mode (one shot per trigger pull) and full-automatic (machine gun) or "burst" mode (multiple shots per trigger pull). They are considered to be machine guns by law and are thus illegal for private citizens to own in NC. Is that the type of rifle to which you are referring? Or do you mean the non-select-fire cosmetic look-alikes, the so-called "assault weapons?" If so, we were fortunate enough to be able to make the NC legislature understand that so-called "assault weapons" are no different from any other non-select-fire gun, except in appearance. Because of their understanding, there are no state-specific laws governing "assault weapons." There are Federal laws, of course, and there are some local ordinances in Durham and Chapel Hill. The local ordinances were invalidated by a state-wide preemption law, but Durham and Chapel Hill still keep their ordinances on the books to "make a statement."

They moved the annual gun buyback in LA up to today.

Idiot reporters kept throwing around words like assault rifle when they had bins full of fudd guns

Guess my AK is considered an assault rifle. Well, since I lost it during my last hunting trip I don't need to concern myself at this point.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

you can still be called into compulsory service. Have you registered for the draft.

But the second amendment requires no militia service in order to bear arms.

That depends on which Supreme Court justice you ask.
Frankly, I am not at all sure that civilian gun ownership is a good idea.
(For the record, I do own several guns)
The fact is that for all the stories you hear about people using guns to protect themselves the numbers are incredibly low. Most guns are not being used for self defense. So what is the answer? Don't drive through Compton at midnight. Be smart. Intelligence trumps firepower every time.

Originally Posted by Nt_loader

Guess my AK is considered an assault rifle. Well, since I lost it during my last hunting trip I don't need to concern myself at this point.

how do you do that?

Originally Posted by B_Cyrus

how do you do that?

I have a 12ft starcraft with a trolling motor. Anyone want to head out on some open water for a gun cleaning party? Bring um all!

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damn, dont want another accident like the one i read about earlier. please be careful guys

Originally Posted by Nt_loader

Guess my AK is considered an assault rifle. Well, since I lost it during my last hunting trip I don't need to concern myself at this point.

You are a responsible gun owner aren't you? Please don't bother answering.

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Really?

Originally Posted by HiHoBrian

I have a 12ft starcraft with a trolling motor. Anyone want to head out on some open water for a gun cleaning party? Bring um all!

sent from my ATARI sc1224

k.

Originally Posted by deliroast

And in NC
What are the relevant laws regarding Assault Rifles in North Carolina?

A: Assault rifles (the real ones) are select-fire battle rifles available only to military and law enforcement. "Select-fire" means that they can be switched between semi-automatic mode (one shot per trigger pull) and full-automatic (machine gun) or "burst" mode (multiple shots per trigger pull). They are considered to be machine guns by law and are thus illegal for private citizens to own in NC. Is that the type of rifle to which you are referring? Or do you mean the non-select-fire cosmetic look-alikes, the so-called "assault weapons?" If so, we were fortunate enough to be able to make the NC legislature understand that so-called "assault weapons" are no different from any other non-select-fire gun, except in appearance. Because of their understanding, there are no state-specific laws governing "assault weapons." There are Federal laws, of course, and there are some local ordinances in Durham and Chapel Hill. The local ordinances were invalidated by a state-wide preemption law, but Durham and Chapel Hill still keep their ordinances on the books to "make a statement."

Actually...Machineguns are NOT illegal in NC... The laws wording is very strange but I can only assume it means illegal conversions.

a person who lawfully possesses or owns a weapon as defined by subsection (a) of this section in compliance with 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53, §§ 5801‑5871. Nothing in this subdivision shall limit the discretion of the sheriff in executing the paperwork required by the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for such person to obtain the weapon.

In most states....if you can legally buy a pistol at a gun shop you can buy a machine gun.

Originally Posted by tattooed_sailor

That depends on which Supreme Court justice you ask.
Frankly, I am not at all sure that civilian gun ownership is a good idea.
(For the record, I do own several guns)
The fact is that for all the stories you hear about people using guns to protect themselves the numbers are incredibly low. Most guns are not being used for self defense. So what is the answer? Don't drive through Compton at midnight. Be smart. Intelligence trumps firepower every time.

Funny thing about our bill of rights.... the 2A was written so we could be on the same playing field as the federal government incase they ever needed to be overthrown....NOT for SD persay. Hints why they cant come out and ban any type of firearm. They can put "bans" in place but they can NEVER take them all away reguardless of grandfathered firearms, tax stamps, or licencses. If you have the money and time I can tell you how to legally own your own mini gun...

Now theres no way that our founding fathers could imagine the military advancements the government possesses right now but the heart of the law put us on equal footing with them at the time. HD was not at the heart of the law.

lol. 4 handguns. "AR-15 style" rifle was in the trunk, never brought into the school. Media lied, medical examiner lied. Good job liberals. Really.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...08495#50208495