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Old 12-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #41
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I'll admit it. When Reagan was driving the bus, I bought the hype and thought I was a republican. I thought welfare was evil, and loved watching the US beat down anyone that disagreed with the republican party.

Thankfully, I evolved and kids like you took my place.
This kid and my generation are going to bailout the fiscal mess your generation created. You can thank us later for saving the country and providing you with social security funds. :p
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My generation didnt create it.

I'm not a part of the BushCo gen.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:54 AM   #43
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My generation didnt create it.

I'm not a part of the BushCo gen.
Pretty sure you are a baby boomer. Most folks my age can't even obtain a credit card or a house loan because of the few that increased tighter regulations because of irresponsible borrowing. It wasn't us...
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You'll have to look beyond my generation. The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld generation fvcked up the planet.


Blame it on me if you want (even though I've never missed a loan payment or screwed anyone out of money).
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:15 AM   #45
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You'll have to look beyond my generation. The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld generation fvcked up the planet.


Blame it on me if you want (even though I've never missed a loan payment or screwed anyone out of money).
Not saying in particular just the people from your era.
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Boehner to Obama: ‘Get serious’ about ‘fiscal cliff’

Republican House Speaker John Boehner warned President Barack Obama on Wednesday that he can either accept a GOP alternative to a comprehensive “fiscal cliff” compromise or “be responsible for the largest tax increase in American history.”

“I hope the president will get serious soon about providing, and working with us on, a balanced approach,” Boehner told reporters in a brief public appearance at which he took no questions.

The verbal hardball tactics came one day before the Republican-led House of Representative was to vote on the speaker’s “Plan B," which would extend Bush-era tax cuts on income up to $1 million but would raise tax rates above that. His plan also keeps in place deep automatic defense and domestic spending cuts—the so-called sequester—that key Republicans have spent months denouncing as unacceptable and dangerous to national security.

“Tomorrow, the House will pass legislation to make permanent tax relief for nearly every American—99.81 percent of the American people,” Boehner said. “Then the president will have a decision to make: He can call on Senate Democrats to pass that bill or he can be responsible for the largest tax increase in American history.”

The speaker’s remarks hinted at the pitched public relations battle over the fiscal cliff—across-the-board income tax hikes and deep government spending cuts that will be triggered if the White House and congressional Republicans can't reach a deal. The combination of spending cuts and tax hikes could plunge the fragile economy into a new recession. Both would go into effect Jan. 1 barring aneleventh-hour compromise.

Republicans have squirmed for months in the face of opinion polls showing the public sides with Obama, who has accused the GOP of holding tax cuts that chiefly benefit the middle class hostage to secure tax cuts for the richest Americans. The president first called for extending tax cuts on income up to $250,000 annually per household, then in a concession to Republicans raised that to $400,000.

Boehner’s gambit also highlighted how he is in a political bind. Many conservatives in the House oppose any tax increase at all. On Wednesday, the anti-tax Club for Growth interest group warned House members to vote against the speaker’s plan. And some House Republicans remain opposed to the automatic defense cuts they say risk endangering national security.

But it’s also not lost on anyone that Boehner’s “Plan B” could turn out to the be the legislative vehicle for any final compromise deal. Once received by the Senate, lawmakers there could amend the package and send it back to the House—though that may be easier said than done.

(Roll Call ace reporter Niels Lesniewski lays out the parliamentary details here with characteristic clarity and thoroughness, noting that “Plan B” might actually prove to be “a much-needed Christmas present” to Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.)

In some ways, Obama seems to be playing along with the idea that the time for talking is over and its now time to vote. During a press conference at the White House shortly before Boehner's comments, the president signaled that he was done negotiating. “Take the deal,” he said.

As for a negotiated compromise? “I think the speaker would like to get that done,” Obama said.

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Hey let's make $100 more so we can spend $100,000 more!
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:55 AM   #48
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Holding all the cards

Obama really is holding ALL the high cards on this one.

Should we go over the Fiscal Cliff, polling is very clear that it is the GOP that will be seen as the cause and take yet another big hit against its already dismal brand image, something they simply can't afford to do (as the recent election so clearly indicated). As if the GOP has a weak hand now at the top of the cliff, it would be a whole lot weaker as a crumpled heap at the bottom where Obama would hold even more advantages.

Boehner and the rest of the GOP simply needs to just fold on this as quickly and quietly as possible and move on without incurring any more damage. I suspect that Boehner will appear to play hardball mostly to throw some meat to placate his wingnut and plutocrat fringe but will end up basically going with Obama's plan on this.
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Might as well play chicken at this point, why not let our system get really progressive? Why stop at 250k? Why not a million bracket, 5 million bracket, 10 million bracket? Let's see how popular these ideas are when Matt Damon is paying 65%.
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Might as well play chicken at this point, why not let our system get really progressive? Why stop at 250k? Why not a million bracket, 5 million bracket, 10 million bracket? Let's see how popular these ideas are when Matt Damon is paying 65%.
I smell a Red Herring, slippery-slope argument here. Nobody is suggesting anything near 65% top rates but rather, a quite modest return to something like during the last period of prosperity and balanced budget during Clinton's reign. Seemed to work well then, why not now? Our current tax rates certainly have NOT worked towards fostering balanced budgets.

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I smell a Red Herring, slippery-slope argument here. Nobody is suggesting anything near 65% top rates but rather, a quite modest return to something like during the last period of prosperity and balanced budget during Clinton's reign. Seemed to work well then, why not now? Our current tax rates certainly have NOT worked towards fostering balanced budgets.
Why should someone making 1 million pay the same rate as someone making 250k? Why should someone making 50k pay more than someone making 30k?

250k is an awfully low stopping point.

We were not prosperous during Clinton's years BECAUSE of the tax rates. Correlation does not equal causation, and you won't find one economist that says those tax rates made us prosper.

However, if you want to bring spending back to the Clinton years...we'd be running a surplus RIGHT NOW with things as is. Guess what? spending problem
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Funny that the high tax rates during Clinton's term had absolutely no negative effect on the booming Clinton economy.

Got a fox-approved explanation for that?
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Might as well play chicken at this point, why not let our system get really progressive? Why stop at 250k? Why not a million bracket, 5 million bracket, 10 million bracket? Let's see how popular these ideas are when Matt Damon is paying 65%.
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Funny that the high tax rates during Clinton's term had absolutely no negative effect on the booming Clinton economy.

Got a fox-approved explanation for that?
Because Clinton did not spend like a Kardashian.
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You're quite caustic lately, in case you didn't notice.
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Because Clinton did not spend like a Kardashian.
Bingo. I don't recall massive auto bailouts in the 90s...
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Bingo. I don't recall massive auto bailouts in the 90s...
Explain this idea that higher taxes under Clinton weren't disastrous, but they would be now, and the reason being the spending differential.
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Because Clinton did not spend like a Kardashian.
Nor did he have to save and repair a collapsed economy that looked like it was run by a Kardashian.
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Explain this idea that higher taxes under Clinton weren't disastrous, but they would be now, and the reason being the spending differential.
Who said we shouldn't raise taxes? I for one am in favor of them along with budget cuts.

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Nor did he have to save and repair a collapsed economy that looked like it was run by a Kardashian.
Don't badmouth Obama, that's not nice.
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Higher taxes are needed. Across the board. La-dee-dah-dee-every-body should be paying higher taxes than we have been.

There's been a war going on for the past decade, yet we've been enjoying tremendously low tax rates the entire time. Regardless of whether it was a popular war or not, our elected officials sent us (us being the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines) there, but decided to take the "buy now, pay later" option. Whatever reason you want to throw out there, it doesn't matter.

We haven't paid for these wars, we've just been running up the charge card. And realistically, no manageable, realistic tax rate could have covered the costs of this war without a deficit, but now that the wars are drawing down, we need to start paying for them.

Across the board tax hikes. America hasn't been at war. The military has been at war. America has been at the mall.
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