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Old 12-19-2012, 10:30 PM   #81
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^yep. Half, actually. Black father, white mother
Just was wondering, I figured you were arguing from an emotional vantage point versus a logical one. Good to know I was right.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:32 PM   #82
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Blacks didn't start the slave trade and they sure as hell didn't create Liberia, and I love that you just said this.

I'm not trying to be rude, but did you honestly just make all of this up? Do some research on colonization from Spain, Portugal, and the American colonization society.
How did the slave trade (that you are referring to) exist without African Blacks? I'm super glad you've been "researching" the issue for apparently no reason but you are far from an authority or a scholar on this issue.

I'm not trying to be rude. Consult with Raymond, he has a far better grasp on this issue than you.

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Well, I guess you are making the assumption that black people are the only ones that have been disenfranchised in world history.

Every race and every ethnic group has been targeted at one time or another in history. To include whites, hispanics, and Protestants. I guess you have forgotten that Jews have been discriminated against since the Pharaoh ran them out of Egypt 4k years ago. We don't need to mention the Holocaust, but I would like to introduce you to the idea of Russian / Eastern European history and the Pogroms. There were thousands of little holocausts throughout history.

But the holocaust was not limited to Jews. Ask the Gypsies, communists, social undesirables and POW's.

The American Civil War ended in 1865 (147 years ago) and the Civil Rights Act was in 1964 (48 years ago) . Sorry guy, but everyone from the civil war era is long dead and gone and the overwhelming majority of the Jim Crow era are dead as well. Victims as well as perpetrators.

And if you want to blame the white man for the black man's problem's, just remember it was the black man that invaded the local village in Africa and enslaved his next door neighbor, it was a black man that marched him to the sea, a black man that put him in a local jail cell built by other black men, sold to white men by black men and put on the boats by more black men. Slave traders rarely spent more than 24 hrs in Africa and left as soon as they arrived.

Don't forget that the number one status symbol of a freed slave was to own another slave. Don't forget that one of the largest landowners in Louisiana and largest owners of slaves was a freed slave. And one of the last, if not the last slave ships to enter America (1857?) was owned by a freed slave.

And when 37 ? families left America after the Civil War and established Liberia ( the dollar is the national currency and their flag is similar to ours ) the first thing they did was establish an economy based on slavery. I don't think it was officially outlawed until 1990?.


Just make sure you tell the whole story and not cherry pick the points that are politically correct.

Oh yeah, after all the sacrifices others have made for the current progress of the black community, blacks still have a national dropout rate in high school of 55 percent and 7/10 black babies are born to unwed mothers. And they have the highest divorce rate of any ethnic group. Despite all the sacrifices previous generations have made for them, the black community is shooting themselves in the foot and pissing away any opportunities that might be available to them. Sorry,but Whites, Hispanics and Asians are not responsible for their behavior. They are doing a pretty good job of ensuring that their opportunities for success are limited.

I don't have time to relate crime statistics and nonpayment of child support. But those are the highest of any ethnic group as well.

Who cares if he is pissed off ? Every man is responsible for his own success or failure in life. Some have advantages that others don't. But you have 75 years to climb to the top and make your dreams come true. Life isn't fair. It's not suppose to be. If it was, the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtain would not have failed. Every one had equal opportunities there. How did that work out ?

The pity party is over. You'll have to find another excuse.
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Check out the histories of China, Japan, Mongolia, India, Iran, the Middle East, and Africa for some other major examples of imperial subjugation.
Similar situations but on completely different scales.

The industrial revolution basically gave white countries a "Thor's hammer" over the rest of the world. Media wasn't as effective of a weapon in Ancient china or the middle east. In our current information age almost the entire public gains their insight on digital media fed to them and controlled by certain intermediaries with their own agendas, opinions and world views. They couldn't possibly carry out "imperial subjugation" on the same scale back then as they do now with the size and scope that international media and pop culture is at right now. These media outlets (which are obviously white-owned and controlled. More specifcally Zionist-controlled.) use this information to influence this and other countries to view certain global and political situations in a way that yields a favorable result to these white "leaders of industry/politics" over the long term. The thing that made the white empires like Britain/US smarter than other imperialists of the past was their ability to control through docility over aggression. Its faster and less work and resources. Tug on peoples' emotions through music, movies and art and you can make them love or hate anybody. Even want them dead. Only when that fails do they call in the cavalry on territories that appeal to them but otherwise can't be attained through the aforementioned method.

The white empires may not have been the first, but they were definitely the most efficient, destructive and exploitative at their imperial subjugation, either directly or indirectly over the long term.
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Just was wondering, I figured you were arguing from an emotional vantage point versus a logical one. Good to know I was right.
Actually, I was using pure logic. All the information I presented was FACT. You can look it up if you don't believe me. I don't argue from an emotional vantage point because that is of no use in the long run. Don't misunderstand though, I'm not making any claims about whether or not US slavery was the worst in all of history. I merely said to me it might have been. However, I don't know the complete history of slavery in the world, so I won't make any false claims and prattle on about things I don't know about. What I'm doing now is weighing in on this thread with a few bits of information as to why US slavery was as bad as it was. Clearly, it seems no one else knew any of what I mentioned. I just want to share the knowledge.
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How did the slave trade (that you are referring to) exist without African Blacks? I'm super glad you've been "researching" the issue for apparently no reason but you are far from an authority or a scholar on this issue.

I'm not trying to be rude. Consult with Raymond, he has a far better grasp on this issue than you.
You are showing your daftness, if you believe much of what Raymond is saying. Let me pick out one detail, out of many: Liberia being founded after civil war?

Give me a break. No mention of Sierra Leon either. Funny how honey is sweet like sugar. Just leave this thread.
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Similar situations but on completely different scales.

The industrial revolution basically gave white countries a "Thor's hammer" over the rest of the world. Media wasn't as effective of a weapon in Ancient china or the middle east. In our current information age almost the entire public gains their insight on digital media fed to them and controlled by certain intermediaries with their own agendas, opinions and world views. They couldn't possibly carry out "imperial subjugation" on the same scale back then as they do now with the size and scope that international media and pop culture is at right now. These media outlets (which are obviously white-owned and controlled. More specifcally Zionist-controlled.) use this information to influence this and other countries to view certain global and political situations in a way that yields a favorable result to these white "leaders of industry/politics" over the long term. The thing that made the white empires like Britain/US smarter than other imperialists of the past was their ability to control through docility over aggression. Its faster and less work and resources. Tug on peoples' emotions through music, movies and art and you can make them love or hate anybody. Even want them dead. Only when that fails do they call in the cavalry on territories that appeal to them but otherwise can't be attained through the aforementioned method.

The white empires may not have been the first, but they were definitely the most efficient, destructive and exploitative at their imperial subjugation, either directly or indirectly over the long term.
As soon as you throw out a term like "Zionist controlled media", it makes it really hard to take you seriously.
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You are showing your daftness, if you believe much of what Raymond is saying. Let me pick out one detail, out of many: Liberia being founded after civil war?

Give me a break. No mention of Sierra Leon either. Funny how honey is sweet like sugar. Just leave this thread.
No thanks, I'd rather not let you spout your falsehoods as some sort of authority on the subject.

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No thanks, I'd rather not let you spout your falsehoods as some sort of authority on the subject.

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Are black people the ones who made segregation law?
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Are black people the ones who made segregation law?
Without black people capturing them and selling them to whites they wouldn't have even been here in America, so there wouldn't have been segregation laws.

Additionally, the majority of white people in this country (their ancestors) were not living in America during the time of slavery. AKA stop blaming me, my grandmother was considered a black person, called the same names and denied employment when she came here.
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Without black people capturing them and selling them to whites they wouldn't have even been here in America, so there wouldn't have been segregation laws.

Additionally, the majority of white people in this country (their ancestors) were not living in America during the time of slavery. AKA stop blaming me, my grandmother was considered a black person, called the same names and denied employment when she came here.
How was your grandmother considered black?
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Honestly, the only thing that bothers me about stuff like this is the double standard. I could care less if blacks, latinos, etc express their hatred of whites. If they are going to dish it out though, they should be able to take it in return, which they cannot. They are the ones perpetuating a problem that they complain about, which is ironic.
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Is anytime a joke can't be flipped around between two parties a double standard? Double standards are only applicable when the context is the same. If you and I both make the same sexist joke and one of us gets blamed for misogyny and the other one doesn't? That's a double standard.

Is it a double standard if a Jew can joke about the Holocaust but a German can't?
Is it a double standard if an American looks at 9/11 in a light way, as opposed to an Arab?
If it a double standard if you say your kids are brats, but you feel insulted if someone says it about your kids?
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Is anytime a joke can't be flipped around between two parties a double standard? Double standards are only applicable when the context is the same. If you and I both make the same sexist joke and one of us gets blamed for misogyny and the other one doesn't? That's a double standard.

Is it a double standard if a Jew can joke about the Holocaust but a German can't?
Is it a double standard if an American looks at 9/11 in a light way, as opposed to an Arab?
If it a double standard if you say your kids are brats, but you feel insulted if someone says it about your kids?
The answer to all of those questions is "yes." They are all double standards. But not all double standards are inappropriate or wrong.
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Is anytime a joke can't be flipped around between two parties a double standard? Double standards are only applicable when the context is the same. If you and I both make the same sexist joke and one of us gets blamed for misogyny and the other one doesn't? That's a double standard.

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Is it a double standard if an American looks at 9/11 in a light way, as opposed to an Arab?
If it a double standard if you say your kids are brats, but you feel insulted if someone says it about your kids?
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The answer to all of those questions is "yes." They are all double standards. But not all double standards are inappropriate or wrong.
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It's pretty hilarious, looking at the article in the OP, how this thread turned into "who were the worst slave owners." And, if you're crying about how blacks can drop the N bomb, but whites aren't supposed to, I'm sorry, you've gone full retard.
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What I find funny is when thug (eminem type dudes) throw around the N bomb, it's like "yo man that dude's chill".... A nerdy white guy does it and the music stops, glasses drop, and fist fly.

It's all very strange. FWIW, black people need to stop with the "we gots a black president now".. comments like that just push us further away from "color-blindness". Kids in this country SHOULD be able to grow up thinking people are people. Instead, every direction they look they have "you're XXX" and "you're YYY" thrown in their faces.
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What I find funny is when thug (eminem type dudes) throw around the N bomb, it's like "yo man that dude's chill".... A nerdy white guy does it and the music stops, glasses drop, and fist fly.
Are you talking about yourself? Why is it so important for you to say the n-word?
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It's pretty hilarious, looking at the article in the OP, how this thread turned into "who were the worst slave owners." And, if you're crying about how blacks can drop the N bomb, but whites aren't supposed to, I'm sorry, you've gone full retard.
I don't think that was the double-standard that was being discussed initially. What was being said was that it is pretty much accepted for black people to be racist openly against whites and that isn't helping race relations.

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