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Old 01-31-2013, 02:31 PM   #481
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orly? citation needed
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Check out LTC Grossman's books "On Killing" and "On Combat". They're both really good reads.
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He spends at least a chapter in the latter discussing violence in media.
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he sounds like he has an agenda to sell his books.

"One of the most common criticisms of video games is that they increase the violent tendencies among youth.[1][17][18] However, several major studies by groups such as The Harvard Medical School Center for Mental Health, The Journal of Adolescent Health, and The British Medical Journal have shown no conclusive link between video game usage and violent activity."[19][20][21]"

"Lt. Col. David Grossman, a former West Point psychology professor, has written several books that pertain to the subject of violence in the media, including On Killing and Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill. During heights of video game controversy he has been interviewed on the content of his books, and has repeatedly used the term "murder simulator" to describe first-person shooter games. He argues that video game publishers unethically train children in the use of weapons and, more importantly, harden them emotionally to the act of murder by simulating the killing of hundreds or thousands of opponents in a single typical video game. Grossman's conclusions have been criticized by some scholars, however, as highly selective and misleading.[26]"
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Any author not getting criticism isn't worth reading.

And of course he wants you to buy his books... That's one of his income streams. His second book got a little annoying by using heavy references to his first, but again, both are well worth reading.
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I'd rather hear from a scientist than a killer.
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I killed Chase in black ops then teabagged his body. Because of video games.
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And he doesn't argue that video games cause violent behavior, only that they, again, condition players to violence and combat through realistic interactive simulation.
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Because psychologists aren't scientists?

I wouldn't completely discount the word of an SME on a topic.
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oh man just think of all the violence you are prone to now
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Because psychologists aren't scientists?

I wouldn't completely discount the word of an SME on a topic.
he's an expert on killing, not childhood behavior.
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I've been playing video games since I was about 7, so like 25 years out of my 32 years. I have never even punched anyone. I am anti confrontation. video games don't do anything besides relieve stress.
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I've been playing video games since I was about 7, so like 25 years out of my 32 years. I have never even punched anyone. I am anti confrontation. video games don't do anything besides relieve stress.
And how realistic was the killing when you were 7?
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my first game was the mario/duck hunt combo cartridge so I was stomping goombas and koopas and shooting ducks with a light zapper. pretty realistic for a kid with imagination.
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The only people I know who get angry with video games have drinking/anger issues.
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Obviously your personal situation trumps published research. My bad.
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yes the published research which I just posted that says there is no correlation.

what part of " no conclusive link between video game usage and violent activity" do you not get?

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I own seven guns and haven't killed anyone. Obviously guns aren't the problem.
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I never said guns cause people to be violent.
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The wrong question is being asked there. The research you posted asks the overly simple question "do violent video games cause violence?"

The obvious answer to that question is no, of course not. No more than violent movies, TV shows, comic books, or magazines. Nor does having gay parents make a person gay. But it does shape who they are and how they view the world, just like any other experience.

The question that needs to be asked is the broader "what is the impact of simulated violent experiences on the developing consciousness?" It's not a yes or no question, and not one that can be answered from singular experience. The answer is definitely not "none", unless we've suddenly answered the nature vs nurture question. It requires more research, and generational and cross-cultural study.

Again, I'm not saying that violent video games cause people to become murderers. Human development is too complex to be studied with yes or no questions.
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