My AR Build...lots of help will be needed.

Ghey. Im going to search elsewhere first...I'd like to find it on a site that has it "in stock"....I know I know...won't be easy.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Reedo, is this the trigger you posted above?
http://geissele.com/supersemi-automa...-etrigger.aspx

If this the best place to buy them, or is there a better (cheaper) source you can recommend?

The one posted in that picture was the regular SSA, not the SSA-E. However, it depends on how you like your triggers. The SSA is 4.5lbs and the SSA-E is 3.5lbs. The SSA and SD-C are the same, as are the SSA-E and SD-E the same. Keep in mind that the weight of a 2-stage trigger has a tendency to feel lighter than a single stage of the same weight.

If you aren't familiar with their application guide, take a look at it:
http://geissele.com/pdfs/TriggerSummarySheet.pdf

The prices on them are pretty constant across the board regardless of where you go. The only way to get discounted pricing is to have LE/MIL discounts with vendors. Buying a whole LPK with a Geissele instead of the milspec trigger is a way to shave off a few bucks.

Originally Posted by Adam@Euro-Spec

Good luck getting anybody to commit to a lead time...if you want 2 of the best things you can buy for your gun IMO this is a great package right here:
http://shop.battlearmsdevelopment.co...D-ASS-SSAE.htm

The bad ass safety is freaking amazing, i have now put one on every rifle i have. Their customer service is above and beyond amazing, the owner answers emails in the middle of the night on weekends and goes out of his way to make you happy, I wish they sold more products just to spend money with battle arms. You get an amazing safety and an awesome trigger, win win. Then find a LPK without FCG and you have a great lower.. You can keep you eye out on whiteoakarmament, they have LPK minus FCG for about $45.

I personally prefer my Noveske 60 degree safety, but Battle Arms Development is a top notch company with a very excellent reputation and I would not hesitate to buy their products.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Oh it's just an extra? I guess there are only two levers in use right, main side and the other side...the 3rd would be just a spare correct?

There is a third pin included in the Geissele trigger kit, but it's not an operational pin. It's a rounded off slave pin that just assists you in installation.
Or what lever are you referring to?

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I guess since the trigger comes with it's own pins it only makes sense to use them and keep the others as spares no?

Also, going back to reedo's comment....what does it mean when a trigger has a "lifespan" of xxxx amout of rounds? What exactly wears out? Seems a bit much having to replace a $250 trigger all the time...

The lifespan is basically an average life of the trigger before it will mechanically fail. The main part that fails on the two-stage is that club foot tail that comes off the back of the hammer and engages the two trigger disconnectors attached to the lower trigger portion.
RRA is known to have the worst reliability of all 2-stages, and you can see this by the very long and narrow shaft of that club foot tail. In contrast, you can see that the KAC is beefed up and is shorter, and the Geissele is the shortest and most beefed-up of all. RRA triggers are known to fail very early and with low round count. They're not combat-capable triggers, which is why they're billed as a National Match trigger.
I don't know what KAC's life span is, but when you consider that the KAC 2-stage costs $329 and the equivalent Geissele SSA costs $210, it's sort of a no-brainer.
As has been stated, Geisseles are rediculously reliable, and there's a reason why they have a lot of SOCOM contracts.

Originally Posted by Reedo302

The one posted in that picture was the regular SSA, not the SSA-E. However, it depends on how you like your triggers. The SSA is 4.5lbs and the SSA-E is 3.5lbs. The SSA and SD-C are the same, as are the SSA-E and SD-E the same. Keep in mind that the weight of a 2-stage trigger has a tendency to feel lighter than a single stage of the same weight.

If you aren't familiar with their application guide, take a look at it:
http://geissele.com/pdfs/TriggerSummarySheet.pdf

The prices on them are pretty constant across the board regardless of where you go. The only way to get discounted pricing is to have LE/MIL discounts with vendors. Buying a whole LPK with a Geissele instead of the milspec trigger is a way to shave off a few bucks.



I personally prefer my Noveske 60 degree safety, but Battle Arms Development is a top notch company with a very excellent reputation and I would not hesitate to buy their products.


There is a third pin included in the Geissele trigger kit, but it's not an operational pin. It's a rounded off slave pin that just assists you in installation.
Or what lever are you referring to?


The lifespan is basically an average life of the trigger before it will mechanically fail. The main part that fails on the two-stage is that club foot tail that comes off the back of the hammer and engages the two trigger disconnectors attached to the lower trigger portion.
RRA is known to have the worst reliability of all 2-stages, and you can see this by the very long and narrow shaft of that club foot tail. In contrast, you can see that the KAC is beefed up and is shorter, and the Geissele is the shortest and most beefed-up of all. RRA triggers are known to fail very early and with low round count. They're not combat-capable triggers, which is why they're billed as a National Match trigger.
I don't know what KAC's life span is, but when you consider that the KAC 2-stage costs $329 and the equivalent Geissele SSA costs $210, it's sort of a no-brainer.
As has been stated, Geisseles are rediculously reliable, and there's a reason why they have a lot of SOCOM contracts.

Gotcha, thanks a lot brother. Ended up with a Geissele SSA-E. Seems like it will work well for my needs.

Ok guys, now I guess I need a stock....NJ legal, so no telescoping . Are they purely comfort/ergonomic or is there a real difference in performance of any kind?

Depends on what length you want. Magpul has a couple fixed stocks, but you can get a normal collapsible stock pinned.
If you want something that's uber-tough, look at a Sully Stock. The guy that invented it is a mentor of mine and these things are damn near indestructible. They're like a midway-collapsed stock.
http://www.thedefensiveedge.com/Sear...lts.asp?Cat=51

Ok, noob question....what's that dangly thing at the end of it? Also, does anyone make a stock that is like the first one you posted, but rubber/silicone coated? I like the feel or rubberized coatings.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Ok, noob question....what's that dangly thing at the end of it? Also, does anyone make a stock that is like the first one you posted, but rubber/silicone coated? I like the feel or rubberized coatings.

Dangly thing is a sling attachment point.

As far as the rubberized coating, I don't know too much. I wouldn't think I would like it because it would get too clingy too my clothing, but not sure.

It's not ideal to have a stock surface that has too much friction, for the reason that david pointed out. I wouldn't recommend a rubberized coating, but if you were so inclined, you could paint one on using something like FlexSeal.

Originally Posted by Reedo302

It's not ideal to have a stock surface that has too much friction, for the reason that david pointed out. I wouldn't recommend a rubberized coating, but if you were so inclined, you could paint one on using something like FlexSeal.

No, you guys made a good point. I'll scrap that idea.

Ok, from what I gather, for a "fun" varmint, a simple A2 stock seems to be the favorite....any objections?
Something like this maybe.... http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcar...cat=282&page=1

I was also recommended the Magpul PRS...

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I was also recommended the Magpul PRS...

For reference, here is my long range AR with a magpul PRS. They are nice, but a little spendy.

I got some some range time with my Magpul ACS-L and really like it. I keep earplugs in the compartment. I'm planning on getting a second one for my next build.The CTR I tried first was a little too light and small to offset the 14" rail and 16" barrel.

sent from my ATARI sc1224

I'm looking at a 20" bull barrel most likely.

Originally Posted by HiHoBrian

I got some some range time with my Magpul ACS-L and really like it. I keep earplugs in the compartment. I'm planning on getting a second one for my next build.The CTR I tried first was a little too light and small to offset the 14" rail and 16" barrel.

sent from my ATARI sc1224

I thought your CTR was just fine.

Score!



These cheap bastards don't include a tube or a spring, so I need to get one of those as well.

nice.

Build is progressing nicely. Love you guys for the advice, hate what you're doin to my wallet....

Lol - I know the feeling. I'm late to the thread here, you have a barrel yet?

I'm bored - Check out this 20" Pac-nor from a previous build.

Originally Posted by nbtstatic

Lol - I know the feeling. I'm late to the thread here, you have a barrel yet?

I'm bored - Check out this 20" Pac-nor from a previous build.

No. I don't think I will build my upper. With the cost of parts today, I will cost me less to buy a complete upper. I also don't want this to take forever. I need to order an LPK, a nice comfortable grip, and then the upper, and I should be good.....oh, and spring/buffer tube too. Finding a nice varmint upper than I like is proving to be a challenge.