An American Hating a Brit...Who Knew..LOL

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

This video shows proof of how Jones slapped the **** out of Morgan. Pratt was making calm, sensible points, and Morgan was barking moronic arguments. Jones was the ONE person I have ever seen not let Morgan make these idiotic statements, and when he did, he was b!tch slapped by them. Again, I personally don't like Jones. I think he is a loon. However, in this particular interview, with facts on his side, he absolutely steamrolled Morgan...on his own show no less.

Jones looked like a tool. He yelled and ranted and shrugged off questions the same way Piers did when speaking with Pratt.

When it comes to this debate :

Pratt >>>>> Piers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones


Sorry dude but Jones looks like a fkin loon

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

Jones looked like a tool. He yelled and ranted and shrugged off questions the same way Piers did when speaking with Pratt.

When it comes to this debate :

Pratt >>>>> Piers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones


Sorry dude but Jones looks like a fkin loon

I agree. My point was that Jones controlled the floor on MORGAN's show. Jones put Morgan on the spot, not vice versa. Morgan simply was outmatched in terms of arguing power. Morgan was completely unprepared for that interview, and Jones clearly did a lot of homework. See if you can find the transcript and read the interview, rather than watch it. Jones' points were solid, but delivered poorly.

Wow! You couldn't make that up.

Is Jones' rant what passes for reasoned discourse in right wing circles these days? Not even a minute into the "interview," well, rant, and Jones rattled off more conspiracy theories than I know existed. And he was just clearing his throat before launching into full red-faced tirade.

Morgan was wise simply to sit back and reel out all the rope this clown needed to intellectually hang himself and his, ummm, ideas.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Because they both claimed that WTC was an inside job?




Alex seems fatter...

Because they both were obnoxious and rude.


Busa do you like Piers?

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I agree. My point was that Jones controlled the floor on MORGAN's show. Jones put Morgan on the spot, not vice versa. Morgan simply was outmatched in terms of arguing power. Morgan was completely unprepared for that interview, and Jones clearly did a lot of homework. See if you can find the transcript and read the interview, rather than watch it. Jones' points were solid, but delivered poorly.

Jones didn't control the debate though... He made a fool of himself. Piers controlled and won the debate without a single word.

Originally Posted by Rhumb

Wow! You couldn't make that up.

Is Jones' rant what passes for reasoned discourse in right wing circles these days? Not even a minute into the "interview," well, rant, and Jones rattled off more conspiracy theories than I know existed.

Morgan was wise simply to sit back and reel out all the rope this clown needed to intellectually hang himself and his, ummm, ideas.

I never said it was reasoned discourse. I said he provided many facts that are 100% true. That no one blames the drug companies for hooking people on these pills. No one blames the medical problem of over prescribed medication. Everyone is afraid to lose their precious sponsorship dollars. He had a lot of very VERY valid points. Not all of them were good, but a level headed person could have made amazing arguments. Morgan repeats the same crap in all his interviews, all of which are skewed lies. The 35 murders in Britain. The Assault weapons, which are less lethal than regular handguns. The guns falling out of holsters. All those points are moronic, amateurish, and him calling people idiots (especially someone older than him) shows him as a classless, tactless, talentless quasi journalist.

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

Jones didn't control the debate though... He made a fool of himself. Piers controlled and won the debate without a single word.

Lets look at it this way then. You can either have Morgan go on his tirade about low murders in Britain and how ARs are bad babbling like an idiot, or Jones can babble. Morgan is not Oreilly. He is not nearly as professional. He cannot hold a cool, level headed, equal time debate. He yells or his opponents yell. In this case, Jones won the yelling match. Yes, he looked stupid doing it, and I guess you are right, winning the stupid contest isn't really winning, but he didn't let Morgan make his moronic points. I'm with you at the core, he did nothing to promote the safe legal gun culture, and made them look like extremists, and for that, and that alone, he failed. There is nothing wrong with speaking passionately, but going on rants with tangents didn't do us any good.

Alex Jones blew it when he mentioned the NWO. They broke up a long time ago and Hulk Hogan is retired now.

Originally Posted by phrozen06

Alex Jones blew it when he mentioned the NWO. They broke up a long time ago and Hulk Hogan is retired now.

Agreed. Tangents like that are stupid and irrelevant.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Lets look at it this way then. You can either have Morgan go on his tirade about low murders in Britain and how ARs are bad babbling like an idiot, or Jones can babble. Morgan is not Oreilly. He is not nearly as professional. He cannot hold a cool, level headed, equal time debate. He yells or his opponents yell. In this case, Jones won the yelling match. Yes, he looked stupid doing it, and I guess you are right, winning the stupid contest isn't really winning, but he didn't let Morgan make his moronic points. I'm with you at the core, he did nothing to promote the safe legal gun culture, and made them look like extremists, and for that, and that alone, he failed. There is nothing wrong with speaking passionately, but going on rants with tangents didn't do us any good.

Man you are a person that lives in denial. Take your pyrrhic victory and move on. Keep beliving jones is reasonable and bested piers with ramblings, and conspiracy.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Or to lose them.

How is someone like Jones going to cause us to lose our Constitutional rights? He is simply exercising his 1st amendment right. He's a hot head with strong opinions (based on data when talking about guns), but outside of that, he's certainly not threatening our liberties as outlined in the Constitution.

Originally Posted by phrozen06

Alex Jones blew it when he mentioned the NWO. They broke up a long time ago and Hulk Hogan is retired now.

ummm excuse me, when you are NWO you are NWO


4 life

Originally Posted by badfast

Man you are a person that lives in denial. Take your pyrrhic victory and move on. Keep beliving jones is reasonable and bested piers with ramblings, and conspiracy.

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said HE was reasonable. I said he had very valid points. Reading comprehension eludes you yet again.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I never said it was reasoned discourse. I said he provided many facts that are 100% true.

Yes, he did reel of many somewhat random parade of "facts," if you will, that, while individually perhaps correct in some sense, were wildly woven together in service to wholly inchoate conspiracy theories. So, while this spray of "facts" may indeed give a surface impression of well-reasoned and logical broader theory, their tenuous coherency mirrors more the word salad of a schizophrenic than the more disciplined reasoning of a rational and steady mind.

Facts, however, do not necessarily support a theory simply by being weighed by the pound or the vehemence with which they are stated, but rather, how they logically related to and support a theory.

Pro gun control advocates can only dream of more anti gun control advocate victories like this.

Originally Posted by Rhumb

Yes, he did reel of many somewhat random parade of "facts," if you will, that, while individually perhaps correct in some sense, were wildly woven together in service to wholly inchoate conspiracy theories. So, while this spray of "facts" may indeed give a surface impression of well-reasoned and logical broader theory, their tenuous coherency mirrors more the word salad of a schizophrenic than the more disciplined reasoning of a rational and steady mind.

Facts, however, do not necessarily support a theory simply by being weighed by the pound or the vehemence with which they are stated, but rather, how they logically related to and support a theory.

Pro gun control advocates can only dream of more anti gun control advocate victories like this.

I agree, and said that. He didn't do the NRA any favors.

Originally Posted by SLVR JDM

How is someone like Jones going to cause us to lose our Constitutional rights? He is simply exercising his 1st amendment right. He's a hot head with strong opinions (based on data when talking about guns), but outside of that, he's certainly not threatening our liberties as outlined in the Constitution.

Where are we at with deporting Piers? That's the real concern here.

And it only gets better:

"In a post-Piers video Jones posted to YouTube, he warned viewers about the possibility of his assassination at the hands of the NYPD under orders from Michael Bloomberg. He tells his listeners: "If something happens to us and we're killed by crackheads, it was the NYPD or mafia."

Below the video, which has the title "Armed Mafia Are Stalking Us: Post Piers Morgan Debate," is a note:

"We just got off CNN and undercover cops are all over us. They have been on our ass all day but now they are stalking us! We need to put this on the record in case the [sic] set us up.""

Incredibly, Jones manages to make P. Morgan the erudite sage of TV in comparison.

Originally Posted by Rhumb

And it only gets better:

"In a post-Piers video Jones posted to YouTube, he warned viewers about the possibility of his assassination at the hands of the NYPD under orders from Michael Bloomberg. He tells his listeners: "If something happens to us and we're killed by crackheads, it was the NYPD or mafia."

Below the video, which has the title "Armed Mafia Are Stalking Us: Post Piers Morgan Debate," is a note:

"We just got off CNN and undercover cops are all over us. They have been on our ass all day but now they are stalking us! We need to put this on the record in case the [sic] set us up.""

Incredibly, Jones manages to make P. Morgan the erudite sage of TV in comparison.

Both Bloomf**k and Morgan walk around with armed security....they don't seem so anti gun afterall.....

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Both Bloomf**k and Morgan walk around with armed security....they don't seem so anti gun afterall.....

Morgan said he didnt. And Bloomberg isn't you. He is important. The nature of who they are and their careers would require security by trained individuals.