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Old 01-11-2013, 05:13 PM   #201
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Blame the liberals and the media. They keep claiming that we are a violent nation (ie, we are a violent people.) Guns don't make people violent, they give people the ABILITY to be violent, much like baseball bats and knives can be used for violence. Some things are known to cause violence....steroids, alcohol (remember the Marine beating the cabbie?), etc. Videogames, movies, etc are all becoming more and more violent. People are conditioned and desensitized to it. Ever see the movie Rampage on netflix streaming? Horrible movie, but it was basically a crazy kid, got dressed up in full body armor, went into town and started killing literally everyone. Personally, I don't blame music, videogames, and movies (although their effect is undeniable.) We can blame the medical industry, the drug industry, the government, the education system, the parents, and a heap of other things before we can blame guns. It's only a matter of time until someone decides to blow up a school using ammonium nitrate.
Whether you like it or not ... you are a violent nation. Defense is your top expenditure, averaging 20-25% of your total federal budget. And I find it ironic that it is called "defense" because your military seem to be on the offense 99% of the time.

And I've said time and time again, your cultural embrace of guns HAS and WILL continue to have an effect on your ability to be violent beyond the average country. Video games don't desensitize individuals to violence, simply because it is easy to differentiate between the real world and a video game. You become desensitized to the gameplay (a gory headshot is no longer something to stop and replay after awhile, you get used to it) If I play call of duty for 5 hours and then went outside and saw someone get mowed down by an assault rifle I'd be horrified, or just saw an assault rifle in my garage, I'd be "stressed" by it... since I'm not used to seeing guns like that, only in a video game.

However if I spent my every breathing day in a society where people are walking around with holstered pistols, spending time at shooting ranges, discussing weaponry, collecting etc... then you become desensitized to REAL LIFE weaponry, and when you mix in violent tendencies you have a desensitized individual with a deadly weapon looking for trouble. His conscious has been eroded!

What makes your culture so violent? That is a question people a lot smarter than me have been trying to answer for a long time, but in my opinion the answer does not lie in violent movies / games etc. If anything, these are a way for us to RELEASE our violent nature (we are wild beings in the grand scheme of things) in a healthy environment.
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Whether you like it or not ... you are a violent nation. Defense is your top expenditure, averaging 20-25% of your total federal budget. And I find it ironic that it is called "defense" because your military seem to be on the offense 99% of the time.

And I've said time and time again, your cultural embrace of guns HAS and WILL continue to have an effect on your ability to be violent beyond the average country. Video games don't desensitize individuals to violence, simply because it is easy to differentiate between the real world and a video game. You become desensitized to the gameplay (a gory headshot is no longer something to stop and replay after awhile, you get used to it) If I play call of duty for 5 hours and then went outside and saw someone get mowed down by an assault rifle I'd be horrified, or just saw an assault rifle in my garage, I'd be "stressed" by it... since I'm not used to seeing guns like that, only in a video game.

However if I spent my every breathing day in a society where people are walking around with holstered pistols, spending time at shooting ranges, discussing weaponry, collecting etc... then you become desensitized to REAL LIFE weaponry, and when you mix in violent tendencies you have a desensitized individual with a deadly weapon looking for trouble. His conscious has been eroded!

What makes your culture so violent? That is a question people a lot smarter than me have been trying to answer for a long time, but in my opinion the answer does not lie in violent movies / games etc. If anything, these are a way for us to RELEASE our violent nature (we are wild beings in the grand scheme of things) in a healthy environment.
Walking around every day seeing people with holstered pistols? You never know who has one, and that is the point.

You would be stressed to see an "assault rifle" in your garage? Really? Why would it worry you if it was just sitting there?

Playing a video game does not erode a conscious, and it does not create violent tendencies.

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Whether you like it or not ... you are a violent nation. Defense is your top expenditure, averaging 20-25% of your total federal budget. And I find it ironic that it is called "defense" because your military seem to be on the offense 99% of the time.

And I've said time and time again, your cultural embrace of guns HAS and WILL continue to have an effect on your ability to be violent beyond the average country. Video games don't desensitize individuals to violence, simply because it is easy to differentiate between the real world and a video game. You become desensitized to the gameplay (a gory headshot is no longer something to stop and replay after awhile, you get used to it) If I play call of duty for 5 hours and then went outside and saw someone get mowed down by an assault rifle I'd be horrified, or just saw an assault rifle in my garage, I'd be "stressed" by it... since I'm not used to seeing guns like that, only in a video game.

However if I spent my every breathing day in a society where people are walking around with holstered pistols, spending time at shooting ranges, discussing weaponry, collecting etc... then you become desensitized to REAL LIFE weaponry, and when you mix in violent tendencies you have a desensitized individual with a deadly weapon looking for trouble. His conscious has been eroded!

What makes your culture so violent? That is a question people a lot smarter than me have been trying to answer for a long time, but in my opinion the answer does not lie in violent movies / games etc. If anything, these are a way for us to RELEASE our violent nature (we are wild beings in the grand scheme of things) in a healthy environment.
As it has been said before you cannot compare our society to others. We have a huge melting pot of different cultures and backrounds, races, etc. There are too many variables to consider in a society like ours. Why are you so infatuated with the negatives of America? You know this country does do a lot of good for the world and mankind...
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Walking around every day seeing people with holstered pistols? You never know who has one, and that is the point.

You would be stressed to see an "assault rifle" in your garage? Really? Why would it worry you if it was just sitting there?

Playing a video game does not erode a conscious, and it does not create violent tendencies.

Stick to remixes.
Because it's an assault rifle? Something I find visually disturbing, because I know what its capable of? I don't think its "cool".

I think you missed my points entirely, I was defending video games.
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Because it's an assault rifle? Something I find visually disturbing, because I know what its capable of? I don't think its "cool".

I think you missed my points entirely, I was defending video games.
What about a hunting rifle? They look more peaceful since they are wood, although mechanically they are identical?



What about a toy gun that looks like an AR? Are you scared of them solely because of their looks?

P.S. Yes, I know that is not an AR.
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As it has been said before you cannot compare our society to others. We have a huge melting pot of different cultures and backrounds, races, etc. There are too many variables to consider in a society like ours. Why are you so infatuated with the negatives of America? You know this country does do a lot of good for the world and mankind...
I'm not infatuated with american negatives, I can see how you'd get that since I've been discussing america a lot lately in a negative aspect, but I'm very infatuated with your apparent violent nature and the reasons behind it.

Agreed, but do you think you do more than the average first world country? And at what cost?
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Blame the liberals and the media. They keep claiming that we are a violent nation (ie, we are a violent people.) Guns don't make people violent, they give people the ABILITY to be violent, much like baseball bats and knives can be used for violence. Some things are known to cause violence....steroids, alcohol (remember the Marine beating the cabbie?), etc. Videogames, movies, etc are all becoming more and more violent. People are conditioned and desensitized to it. Ever see the movie Rampage on netflix streaming? Horrible movie, but it was basically a crazy kid, got dressed up in full body armor, went into town and started killing literally everyone. Personally, I don't blame music, videogames, and movies (although their effect is undeniable.) We can blame the medical industry, the drug industry, the government, the education system, the parents, and a heap of other things before we can blame guns. It's only a matter of time until someone decides to blow up a school using ammonium nitrate.


WTF is all I have to say.

What is the thought process when you come up with some of the stuff you put out?

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WTF is all I have to say.

What is the thought process when you come up with some of the stuff you put out?
This is the argument put forth by the anti gun groups, liberals and the liberal media. They are blaming the guns, but cry that we are a violent people, a violent culture, etc. Guns don't cause violence. Guns are a vehicle of violence.

Once again you are cherry picking my posts. If you go back 3 posts, I clearly stated that the NRA is simply pointing fingers, beacuse everyone needs someone else to blame.
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What about a hunting rifle? They look more peaceful since they are wood, although mechanically they are identical?



What about a toy gun that looks like an AR? Are you scared of them solely because of their looks?

P.S. Yes, I know that is not an AR.
My point was to differentiate between playing a video game with an AR-15 and seeing one in real life with the garage example.

I'm not scared of any gun, and have shot plenty. But if I saw someone holding a gun that I had no control over, be it a pistol, AR-15, hunting rifle, shotgun hell even a pellet gun I get stressed out because my mind knows exactly what they are capable of, and has no control over what the user could do. In that way I am still "sensitive" to firearms
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My point was to differentiate between playing a video game with an AR-15 and seeing one in real life with the garage example.

I'm not scared of any gun, and have shot plenty. But if I saw someone holding a gun that I had no control over, be it a pistol, AR-15, hunting rifle, shotgun hell even a pellet gun I get stressed out because my mind knows exactly what they are capable of, and has no control over what the user could do. In that way I am still "sensitive" to firearms
I get freaked out by people, not guns. I have seen plenty of people without guns that I wouldn't want to mess with. I have never been around a person with a gun and felt uncomfortable, and if I was ever in that situation, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I had a gun of my own.
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My point was to differentiate between playing a video game with an AR-15 and seeing one in real life with the garage example.

I'm not scared of any gun, and have shot plenty. But if I saw someone holding a gun that I had no control over, be it a pistol, AR-15, hunting rifle, shotgun hell even a pellet gun I get stressed out because my mind knows exactly what they are capable of, and has no control over what the user could do. In that way I am still "sensitive" to firearms
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This is the argument put forth by the anti gun groups, liberals and the liberal media. They are blaming the guns, but cry that we are a violent people, a violent culture, etc. Guns don't cause violence. Guns are a vehicle of violence.

Once again you are cherry picking my posts. If you go back 3 posts, I clearly stated that the NRA is simply pointing fingers, beacuse everyone needs someone else to blame.
You made claims on things that incite anger. You then listed a group of industries and institutions that are to blame--things like the medical industry . And finally you make a prediction based on nothing just your own "intuition".
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I get freaked out by people, not guns. I have seen plenty of people without guns that I wouldn't want to mess with. I have never been around a person with a gun and felt uncomfortable, and if I was ever in that situation, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I had a gun of my own.
Well you also don't account for the rest of the world, now do you?
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You made claims on things that incite anger. You then listed a group of industries and institutions that are to blame--things like the medical industry . And finally you make a prediction based on nothing just your own "intuition".
Considering my father is chief of psychiatry at his hospital, I am inclined to believe what he tells me. The fact that in this country, we do not have a gray area for our mentally ill is a big factor (among many.) Just because you are uninformed, doesn't mean the point isn't there.
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Well you also don't account for the rest of the world, now do you?
Hardly. It is situational for everyone. On a nice sunny day in the park in texas, I am not going to fear the gun on the hip of some hot blond chick. If I was in Africa, and saw a beat up old pickup truck, with a bunch of people in the bed with guns on their hip (same one as the chick in texas) I would be concerned. It isn't the gun that is concerning me, but rather, the person.
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Getting back to the original question about the percentage necessary to overthrow the govt............

I think a good example would be France in WW2. France surrendered without a fight to the Germans. Hitler went around the Maginot Line and came through the forests of Belgium. All of France's army was on the Eastern front with Germany and they only put up a modest fight. France surrendered and during the occupation they estimate that only about 5 percent of the people fought against the Germans, 5 percent actually assisted the Germans and 90 percent did nothing at all.

And when Rudolph Hess parachuted into England (prematurely when his plane had engine trouble) he was (supposedly) enroute to see some members of the Royal Family about England surrendering to the Germans (aligning themselves maybe ?) .

Castro invaded Cuba from Mexico with 30? people and he has been there since 1958.

It does not take 51 percent of a population to do anything. It just takes a few people in senior leadership positions. It does not mean that there would be riots and bloodshed, but it does not take the big numbers of people that everyone thinks it does.
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Getting back to the original question about the percentage necessary to overthrow the govt............

I think a good example would be France in WW2. France surrendered without a fight to the Germans. Hitler went around the Maginot Line and came through the forests of Belgium. All of France's army was on the Eastern front with Germany and they only put up a modest fight. France surrendered and during the occupation they estimate that only about 5 percent of the people fought against the Germans, 5 percent actually assisted the Germans and 90 percent did nothing at all.

And when Rudolph Hess parachuted into England (prematurely when his plane had engine trouble) he was (supposedly) enroute to see some members of the Royal Family about England surrendering to the Germans (aligning themselves maybe ?) .

Castro invaded Cuba from Mexico with 30? people and he has been there since 1958.
The resistance in France didn't overthrow the Vichy government. They fought against it, but Vichy France didn't fall until Nazi Germany did.

Rudolph Hess, by your story, was going to utilize the government of the UK, not overthrow it.

And Cuba is a small insular island nation with limited resources and infrastructure. While Castro's methods are applicable to a larger, more robust nation, what a Second Amendment insurgency would be missing is popular support.

Like you claimed, 90% of France did nothing during the occupied time. They wanted to be left alone to go about their lives.

What you'd be fighting most in the US is sheer size. While Castro's methods could be used to gain small pockets of control, uniting these into any appreciable widespread insurgency would be nearly impossible.
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