What % of American pop would have to revolt against the gov't to stand a chance??????

Originally Posted by kaput

It's design has nothing to do with crime statistics. Hate to tell you this, but my Glock would have been just as effective in a classroom full of 5 year olds. In all of the crimes that have been committed with this weapon, or its variants, none of them used the weapon for it's intended purposes.

Your clarification was also BS. Look up the statistics of crimes committed with an NFA weapon since 1986. Find a hand full and you get a cookie. I'll give you a hint... The numbers are so low, I doubt you will find one murder with an NFA weapon.

I think it's actually 2. And one of the murders was committed by a cop

Or, they could just wait a couple of years and vote whomever out of office.

If 3% of the country is so opposed to the direction that 51% of the country want the country to go in that they're willing to take up arms, they need to reevaluate their values and priorities.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Or, they could just wait a couple of years and vote whomever out of office.

If 3% of the country is so opposed to the direction that 51% of the country want the country to go in that they're willing to take up arms, they need to reevaluate their values and priorities.

It's for when the political process no longer works. Last resort.
We're not there yet, but it seems to be getting closer.

When the constituents are no longer represented properly. That is happening present day all around us.

If the current administration decided to make slavery legal again, remove the freedom of speech or not allow women to vote.... would you suggest waiting for the next election? They are trying to remove the 2nd Amendment. Immediate and direct reaction is warranted

Originally Posted by JonJon

It's for when the political process no longer works. Last resort.
We're not there yet, but it seems to be getting closer.

Really? How so?

Originally Posted by JonJon

When the constituents are no longer represented properly. That is happening present day all around us.

If the current administration decided to make slavery legal again, remove the freedom of speech or not allow women to vote.... would you suggest waiting for the next election? They are trying to remove the 2nd Amendment. Immediate and direct reaction is warranted

Originally Posted by 'busa

Really? How so?

The large majority of this country does not want any sort of ban.
Our elected leaders are not listening. Regardless... what they are doing is not justifiable.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Or, they could just wait a couple of years and vote whomever out of office.

If 3% of the country is so opposed to the direction that 51% of the country want the country to go in that they're willing to take up arms, they need to reevaluate their values and priorities.

So just because you think a majority is right everyone else should fall in line? It's a matter of opinion here and you have yours and others have theirs.

As I always say, who the fvck am I to tell someone what they can't and can do. It's not my place so long as my personal life is not being harmed. Grow a pair and stop being sucked into pussified America.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Or, they could just wait a couple of years and vote whomever out of office.

If 3% of the country is so opposed to the direction that 51% of the country want the country to go in that they're willing to take up arms, they need to reevaluate their values and priorities.

So if your rights are on the line or being actively taken away, your opinion is to sit back and wait for the next election? I guess that is one way to handle it, but a lot can happen in 4 years. You might want to grab a history book to see how that turned out for passive folks in the 1930's in various locations around the world.

Originally Posted by JonJon

The large majority of this country does not want any sort of ban.
Our elected leaders are not listening. Regardless... what they are doing is not justifiable.

So what do you think will happen? Is a weapons ban likely? There will be elections next year. If what you're saying is true, all those people will get voted out of office stat! People who are in support of gun rights will get voted in. Any action will be overturned and no one will dare mess with gun rights again. Democracy!

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

So just because you think a majority is right everyone else should fall in line? It's a matter of opinion here and you have yours and others have theirs.

As I always say, who the fvck am I to tell someone what they can't and can do. It's not my place so long as my personal life is not being harmed. Grow a pair and stop being sucked into pussified America.

Feel free to shoot your way into DC, for all I care.

Originally Posted by SLVR JDM

So if your rights are on the line or being actively taken away, your opinion is to sit back and wait for the next election? I guess that is one way to handle it, but a lot can happen in 4 years. You might want to grab a history book to see how that turned out for passive folks in the 1930's in various locations around the world.

Midterm elections will have speak louder than presidential elections. But why am I even addressing someone that validates Godwin's Law with his first reply?

Originally Posted by 'busa

Or, they could just wait a couple of years and vote whomever out of office.

Come talk to me when it is something you actually care about. When it doesn't effect you, it's no big deal, and that is the way most people think.

On the other hand, if it directly effects you, and your life and freedoms, you too would fight for it, through paper or "boycotts", and maybe even with bullets. You never know until you are pushed against the wall.

Originally Posted by JonJon

The large majority of this country does not want any sort of ban.
Our elected leaders are not listening. Regardless... what they are doing is not justifiable.

That is debatable. Polls have been showing going both ways. And obviously talking amongst the peers in your group would influence your perception of what the majority want or do not want.

Originally Posted by kaput

Come talk to me when it is something you actually care about. When it doesn't effect you, it's no big deal, and that is the way most people think.

On the other hand, if it directly effects you, and your life and freedoms, you too would fight for it, through paper or "boycotts", and maybe even with bullets. You never know until you are pushed against the wall.

Well, let's be realistic, it is very unlikely to happen anyway. I think all this fearmongering is counter-productive. Maybe if gun right advocates were a little bit more cooperative in coming up with solutions, it wouldn't appear quite so stark.

And yes, I think paper and boycotts are far more attractive options.

Other than gun rights, what else would you fight for with bullets, even if we are less than 2 years away from an important election?

PS: affect

Originally Posted by kaput

Come talk to me when it is something you actually care about. When it doesn't effect you, it's no big deal, and that is the way most people think.

On the other hand, if it directly effects you, and your life and freedoms, you too would fight for it, through paper or "boycotts", and maybe even with bullets. You never know until you are pushed against the wall.

That's 'busa for you.

"I am almighty 'busa and what I say only matters because it must be right because well only some of it is logical and the rest my personal opinion. I just happen to believe everything the media throws at me and even the rest of the extreme left agree with me. So yeah take that all those who don't agree with me. Nana-nana boo boo stick your head in doo-doo."

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

That's 'busa for you.

"I am almighty 'busa and what I say only matters because it must be right because well only some of it is logical and the rest my personal opinion. I just happen to believe everything the media throws at me and even the rest of the extreme left agree with me. So yeah take that all those who don't agree with me. Nana-nana boo boo stick your head in doo-doo."

Ad hominem attacks, strawman fallacies, references to Hitler and mocking are really getting your points across...

Originally Posted by 'busa

Other than gun rights, what else would you fight for with bullets, even if we are less than 2 years away from an important election?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Bill_of_Rights

And everyone else SHOULD do the same, if any or all were being taken away.

Boycotting Wendy's for cutting hours to workers to skirt Obamacare, or Chick-Fil-A for being against gay marriage is as useful as pi$$ing in the wind.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Ad hominem attacks, strawman fallacies, references to Hitler and mocking are really getting your points across...

Because you criticize Chase and others yet you behave in the same manner while going to bat for the left. The sooner you get off your high horse and have empathy for others beliefs and values the sooner you will be taken seriously and given respect.

Originally Posted by v8 5

Citizens have no protection against aircraft / missiles

Yeah, they won't hold up too well against drones.

Originally Posted by kaput

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Bill_of_Rights

And everyone else SHOULD do the same, if any or all were being taken away.

Boycotting Wendy's for cutting hours to workers to skirt Obamacare, or Chick-Fil-A for being against gay marriage is as useful as pi$$ing in the wind.

Very well, I'm sure you were all up in arms when Allen West attacked a religion that you didn't belong to.

We should take up weapons against Wendy's and Chick-Fil-A?

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Because you criticize Chase and others yet you behave in the same manner while going to bat for the left. The sooner you get off your high horse and have empathy for others beliefs and values the sooner you will be taken seriously and given respect.

Aside from an occasional (and very obvious) joke, where do I make it about the poster? In this thread, I've focused only on the points I've made and the rebuttals that they've prompted and yet, it appears, others would rather make it about me. Go figure!

Originally Posted by 'busa

Very well, I'm sure you were all up in arms when Allen West attacked a religion that you didn't belong to.

We should take up weapons against Wendy's and Chick-Fil-A?


Aside from an occasional (and very obvious) joke, where do I make it about the poster? In this thread, I've focused only on the points I've made and the rebuttals that they've prompted and yet, it appears, others would rather make it about me. Go figure!

#realworldproblems

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

#realworldproblems

#nocontributionasusual

Originally Posted by 'busa

#nocontributionasusual

It's pointless to contribute here as this is but an internet forum and opinions will be opinions at the end of the day. Rather it's more enjoyable to recognize the inaccuracies and flaws in arguments here.