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Old 01-15-2013, 10:20 AM   #81
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Case in point.... you. Everything you says is a regurgitation from something you read online. Get off your pedestal.
Everything is online now a days, including factual statistics from the FBI on crimes.

Unless you are denying FBI crime statistic accuracy, please feel free to answer my questions
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Everything is online now a days, including factual statistics from the FBI on crimes.

Unless you are denying FBI crime statistic accuracy, please feel free to answer my questions
A. Don't vilify people for using the internet as a resource. You of all people rely heavily on it to "research" your points.

B. FBI crime statistics are only as accurate as the number of crimes that get reported. If an event were to take place and never reported then it will never be captured.

C. You're asking a question to an answer you already know. You've demonstrated that in other threads. If you want to present something do so in a civil and mature fashion. Don't send people on a wild goose chase so you can throw it back in their faces and fill your insecurities with a false sense of superiority.
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Everything is online now a days, including factual statistics from the FBI on crimes.

Unless you are denying FBI crime statistic accuracy, please feel free to answer my questions
I'm not sure where you're heading with this, but here you go:

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How many people are killed each year from

1. Semi-Automatic Rifles
2. Fully-Automatic Rifles
3. Fists and Feet
FBI data for last full year they have statistics for (2011):

Murder, Types of Weapons Used
67.7% Firearms
13.4% Knives or cutting instruments
13.1% Unknown or other dangerous weapons
5.8% Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...e-data-table-7
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RIFLES . That's what everyone wants to ban right? The big scary black guns?

Semi and Automatic
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RIFLES . That's what everyone wants to ban right? The big scary black guns?

Semi and Automatic
Who's everyone?
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All individuals in existence. By the very definition of the word that includes JonJon.
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All individuals in existence. By the very definition of the word that includes JonJon.
Still waiting for that info
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Still waiting for that info
I'm perfectly content with keeping you waiting and denying you the satisfaction.
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I'm perfectly content with keeping you waiting and denying you the satisfaction.
No satisfaction, just facts

Compare "rifles" AKA "scary black assault weapons" to "hands, fists, feet"

Now explain to me why people think there is a problem with these weapons?
Justify the ban

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-20
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No satisfaction, just facts

Compare "rifles" AKA "scary black assault weapons" to "hands, fists, feet"

Now explain to me why people think there is a problem with these weapons?
Justify the ban

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-20
Bro... why you even mad?

Not once have I called for a ban. It makes me question your attention to detail. You hardly seem objective. Your posts are plagued with emotion. It might be in the interest of gun control opponents to let someone else do the talking.
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No satisfaction, just facts

Compare "rifles" AKA "scary black assault weapons" to "hands, fists, feet"

Now explain to me why people think there is a problem with these weapons?
Justify the ban

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-20
I lol'd at hands feet column. I cannot take any kind of government ban serious until the government bans cigarettes which kills thousands each year and everyone pays for it through healthcare premiums.
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You cannot ban an AR15 without banning traditional rifles. For all intents and purposes they're the same thing. Even the argument for banning high capacity magazines is flawed in my opinion. Because unless you ban the practice of reloading it seems rather pointless. Hell... even banning automatics is flawed to some extent. It doesn't take a trained person long to unload a semi-automatic. And a trained person firing well-place individual shots is more of a threat than a novice in full auto mode who empties an entire magazine in a matter of a seconds. Congratulations... you hit the same person 30 times. I think he's dead.
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I would agree that the focus on ARs is a bit of a red herring that perhaps diverts from other steps that might be taken to curb gun violence, injuries and death. Yes, in some broad sense, ARs are nothing but a subtype of rifle but a rifle nonetheless (though I guess the same could be said of machine guns, or even cannons being but reeeeally big rifles). Can useful distinctions be made between, say, an AR15 and a Winchester bolt action or semi automatic hunting rifle? Yes, I think so but again, perhaps these finer distinctions are more distracting than useful for the larger discussion and perhaps ought to be shelved in the short term.

That all said, not all, or probably even most, pro-gun control people necessarily anti-gun, much less wanting to ban guns outright. Too often I think the NRA and many pro-gun supporters rely too much on shrill slippery-slope arguments where in fact there is a broad middle-ground to be explored. Any gun regulation is NOT some inexorable first step to total abolition of all guns by private citizens.
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I lol'd at hands feet column. I cannot take any kind of government ban serious until the government bans cigarettes which kills thousands each year and everyone pays for it through healthcare premiums.
Over 400,000 a year, and we're focusing on rarely used weapons with low death tolls
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I would agree that the focus on ARs is a bit of a red herring that perhaps diverts from other steps that might be taken to curb gun violence, injuries and death. Yes, in some broad sense, ARs are nothing but a subtype of rifle but a rifle nonetheless (though I guess the same could be said of machine guns, or even cannons being but reeeeally big rifles). Can useful distinctions be made between, say, an AR15 and a Winchester bolt action or semi automatic hunting rifle? Yes, I think so but again, perhaps these finer distinctions are more distracting than useful for the larger discussion and perhaps ought to be shelved in the short term.

That all said, not all, or probably even most, pro-gun control people necessarily anti-gun, much less wanting to ban guns outright. Too often I think the NRA and many pro-gun supporters rely too much on shrill slippery-slope arguments where in fact there is a broad middle-ground to be explored. Any gun regulation is NOT some inexorable first step to total abolition of all guns by private citizens.
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I would agree that the focus on ARs is a bit of a red herring that perhaps diverts from other steps that might be taken to curb gun violence, injuries and death. Yes, in some broad sense, ARs are nothing but a subtype of rifle but a rifle nonetheless (though I guess the same could be said of machine guns, or even cannons being but reeeeally big rifles). Can useful distinctions be made between, say, an AR15 and a Winchester bolt action or semi automatic hunting rifle? Yes, I think so but again, perhaps these finer distinctions are more distracting than useful for the larger discussion and perhaps ought to be shelved in the short term.

That all said, not all, or probably even most, pro-gun control people necessarily anti-gun, much less wanting to ban guns outright. Too often I think the NRA and many pro-gun supporters rely too much on shrill slippery-slope arguments where in fact there is a broad middle-ground to be explored. Any gun regulation is NOT some inexorable first step to total abolition of all guns by private citizens.
No, there isn't. They are all devices that fire bullets and kill. If one is no good, they are all no good. There is absolutely no difference between ANY of them, but the liberals will have you believe that "assault weapons" with plastic black ergonomics are more lethal. There is no middle ground.
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No, there isn't. They are all devices that fire bullets and kill. If one is no good, they are all no good. There is absolutely no difference between ANY of them, but the liberals will have you believe that "assault weapons" with plastic black ergonomics are more lethal. There is no middle ground.
Where do you see middle ground?
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Where do you see middle ground?
I posted in the other thread, but I will repeat it...many pro gun guns don't agree with me since it is an "intrusion" but my solution is purely political, and what can be done.....

1) All weapons are legal. Automatic, semi, rifles, pistols, no magazine limits etc.
2) States no longer have gun rights. Gun rights become federal, with a FEDERAL SHALL ISSUE CCW permit, with no open/concealed restrictions.
3) NICS check mandatory the FIRST TIME YOU BUY/APPLY for a permit. No point of checking everytime, extorting money. If you get charged/arrested, the database will see you have a CCW and suspend it immediately. You will then have to pass another one to get it back.
4) DOCUMENTED mental health checks. No actual information other than a flagged name. Very few conditions will actually qualify for a denial.
5) No more gun free zones, except court houses and federal buildings.
6) Politicians, with the exception of the First/Vice families are not legally allowed to have state funded security....this includes mayors, congress, etc.

There are probably a few more points, but I can't think of them at the moment...thats a good start.
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I posted in the other thread, but I will repeat it...many pro gun guns don't agree with me since it is an "intrusion" but my solution is purely political, and what can be done.....

1) All weapons are legal. Automatic, semi, rifles, pistols, no magazine limits etc.
All weapons? Surface-to-air missiles?
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2) States no longer have gun rights. Gun rights become federal, with a FEDERAL SHALL ISSUE CCW permit, with no open/concealed restrictions.
3) NICS check mandatory the FIRST TIME YOU BUY/APPLY for a permit. No point of checking everytime, extorting money. If you get charged/arrested, the database will see you have a CCW and suspend it immediately. You will then have to pass another one to get it back.
4) DOCUMENTED mental health checks. No actual information other than a flagged name. Very few conditions will actually qualify for a denial.
5) No more gun free zones, except court houses and federal buildings.
6) Politicians, with the exception of the First/Vice families are not legally allowed to have state funded security....this includes mayors, congress, etc.

There are probably a few more points, but I can't think of them at the moment...thats a good start.
How is that middle ground? On which of these do you think you deviate from the right-wing/NRA stance?
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