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Old 01-17-2013, 07:58 AM   #81
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Next the SBA should mandate that all small businesses take an annual inventory and report their findings to a national database in order to control crime.
What do you find so unreasonable about the idea?

More than 62,000 guns unaccounted for in U.S. since 2008, report finds
The Brady Center thinks the actual number of unaccounted-for guns is far higher because ATF inspects less than 20 percent of the nation's dealers annually.
"If they looked at the other 80 percent of these dealers, there'd be a lot more missing guns," Helmke said.
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Left attacks NRA for hinting that gun violence is as much a psychological problem as it is a gun control issue... they then produce a video game where you assassinate the NRA head : http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...andrew-johnson

Left attacks NRA for mentioning Obama's children in an ad... Obama makes plea to nation about gun control surrounded by children and reads their "personal letters".

Left attacks double standards from the right...
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:34 AM   #83
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Left attacks NRA for hinting that gun violence is as much a psychological problem as it is a gun control issue... they then produce a video game where you assassinate the NRA head : http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...andrew-johnson

Left attacks NRA for mentioning Obama's children in an ad... Obama makes plea to nation about gun control surrounded by children and reads their "personal letters".

Left attacks double standards from the right...
How do you feel about the NRA writing legislation?
"'I wanted to make sure I was fulfilling the needs of my friends who are firearms dealers,' Tiahrt said, according to a Washington Post article from the time. '(National Rifle Association officials) were helpful in making sure I had my bases covered.'...
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You really want to bring race into a discussion about gun violence?


Post up all the incidences of angry black nutjobs who have murdered dozens of people in movie theaters or elementary schools.
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Post up all the incidences of angry black nutjobs who have murdered dozens of people in movie theaters or elementary schools.
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How do you feel about the NRA writing legislation?
"'I wanted to make sure I was fulfilling the needs of my friends who are firearms dealers,' Tiahrt said, according to a Washington Post article from the time. '(National Rifle Association officials) were helpful in making sure I had my bases covered.'...
What's wrong with that? You think politicians aren't supporting legislation (or writing legislation) with particular friends in mind?

If so, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I'll sell you... from the front porch you can see the sea .. and if you buy that I'll throw the golden gate in for free.
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I'm really getting a kick out of the idiots on FB/Twitter that are relating pictures of Obama with children to Hitler/Chavez/Kim Jong Il/etc. with children. As if Obama is the first ever POTUS to use children as part of an agenda. Oh, and if you bring up the NRA using children the comment gets deleted
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What's wrong with that? You think politicians aren't supporting legislation (or writing legislation) with particular friends in mind?

If so, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I'll sell you... from the front porch you can see the sea .. and if you buy that I'll throw the golden gate in for free.
Business as usual, right?
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Business as usual, right?
You say this as if it's a republican move. Are you forgetting all the backdoor deals that went down to get Obamacare passed?

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Do you remember the "Louisiana Purchase?" I don't mean Thomas Jefferson's acquisition of land from Napoleon, but rather Democrats' acquisition of Sen. Mary Landrieu's (D., La.) support for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Landrieu, critics believe, pledged her vote in exchange for gaining $200 million additional federal funds for Louisiana's Medicaid program. Except that, due to a drafting error, the law ended up giving Louisiana $4.3 billion in extra Medicaid funds: more than twenty times the assigned amount. How this happened, and how Congress failed to fully fix it, is a microcosm of our new health law's many flaws.
Link : http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/201...iana-purchase/

And that is just one of many... there were states that were given all kinds of goodies in exchange for their support of the legislation.
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How do you feel about the NRA writing legislation?
"'I wanted to make sure I was fulfilling the needs of my friends who are firearms dealers,' Tiahrt said, according to a Washington Post article from the time. '(National Rifle Association officials) were helpful in making sure I had my bases covered.'...
Do you think the NRA does not represent an overwhelming majority of people who own guns?
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republicans pass legislation to make the gun lobby wealthy and safe from scrutiny.

Democrats pass healthcare bill.
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Do you think the NRA does not represent an overwhelming majority of people who own guns?
I own my fair share of firearms, I support the right to carry, I support castle law statutes, I do not want my right to own firearms infringed upon with useless AWB's and magazine restrictions. In addition to these I support variety of other pro-2nd amendment items.


With that said, I do not like the NRA.
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I own my fair share of firearms, I support the right to carry, I support castle law statutes, I do not want my right to own firearms infringed upon with useless AWB's and magazine restrictions. In addition to these I support variety of other pro-2nd amendment items.


With that said, I do not like the NRA.
Understood.

Keep in mind, there are organizations representing all the amendments to help ensure they are not infringed upon, the NRA happens to represent a very sensitive amendment. The NRA has fought to maintain our rights for years.
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What's wrong with that? You think politicians aren't supporting legislation (or writing legislation) with particular friends in mind?
I'm sure you'd find nothing wrong with it if Planned Parenthood wrote legislation and an elected representative said he made sure it conforms to their needs.

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Do you think the NRA does not represent an overwhelming majority of people who own guns?
I'm considering getting a gun (not out of fear of laws or people, just because) and I kind of hate the idea of getting lumped under the same umbrella as the NRA.

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I own my fair share of firearms, I support the right to carry, I support castle law statutes, I do not want my right to own firearms infringed upon with useless AWB's and magazine restrictions. In addition to these I support variety of other pro-2nd amendment items.


With that said, I do not like the NRA.

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Understood.

Keep in mind, there are organizations representing all the amendments to help ensure they are not infringed upon, the NRA happens to represent a very sensitive amendment. The NRA has fought to maintain our rights for years.
You seriously think that the NRA is only about freedom?
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NRA is just the organization that the public knows as the face of the gun rights lobby (whether their impression is favorable or not). The mainstream media doesn't report as much about the GOA or other such organizations since it doesn't strike a chord with their fanbase.....errr..viewers.

That being said, I'm a NRA life member. I don't agree with all of their stances and tactics (though I do like the new ad and love that it pisses off the anti-gunners), but they have the political power to get things done.
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NRA is just the organization that the public knows as the face of the gun rights lobby (whether their impression is favorable or not). The mainstream media doesn't report as much about the GOA or other such organizations since it doesn't strike a chord with their fanbase.....errr..viewers.
So I google GOA and the first result is their website with the following statement below it:
Gun Owners of America - The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington.
Really?! What's so wrong with compromise?

Looking at their website, it gets worse. They have "Tea Party Talk" books with points to help in arguing against your "liberal acquaintances"? Are gun owners only allowed to be conservative? Are liberals not allowed to be gun owners too?

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That being said, I'm a NRA life member. I don't agree with all of their stances and tactics (though I do like the new ad and love that it pisses off the anti-gunners), but they have the political power to get things done.
I understand it's somewhat satisfying to piss off those you don't like, but wouldn't bridging the gap be much more efficient?
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Students and school employees already act impulsively without guns. It results in negative consequences, including people getting beat up.

Would there be more or less of the existing impulsive behavior with armed authority figures in the classroom or patrolling the halls/campus?
I clearly spoke to the differences of using a firearm vs. one's hands (i.e., close and intimate encounter). Furthermore, I clearly stated "less prone". Additionally, the magnitude of damage of "getting beat up" and shot is quite different.

Reading Comprehension > You


I do not have the time to hold your hand when reading my posts. At this point I would rather just agree to disagree than waste my time correcting every single point.
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