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Old 01-02-2013, 02:09 AM   #1
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Photographing a diamond

I'm working with a custom jeweler to make an engagement ring for my girlfriend. With me having an interest in photography, I thought it'd be cool to photograph the loose diamond, the empty ring and then later the final product to put into a frame or something at some other time. The jeweler was totally cool with the idea as long as the shots are done in his office.

Since I've never done this type of photography before and I can't spend a lot of time shooting in his office, I could use any advice/examples you guys can give me. I have no idea where to start (lens, positioning, settings, lighting, backgrounds).

I'd prefer to use only my existing equipment but don't mind spending a little money if needed. Here's the equipment I currently own:
-5d mark iii
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-580 exII flash with diffuser cap and cheap radio trigger
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At my initial consultation I noticed he had some really nice professional looking lamp lighting to display the loose diamonds to me, so I'm sure I could use that in the shoot. Like I said, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:33 AM   #2
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You have a 5DIII and L lenses, and can't figure out how to take a picture of a stationary object?

Buy a macro lens. Pick up a high end jewelry catalogue, find the 'look' you like, and try to replicate. Use lighting available at jeweler.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:55 AM   #3
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I was looking for advice more along the lines of which lens (that I already own), focal length, aperture, etc would be best without having to purchase new lenses.

I'll definitely be using his continuous lighting instead of my flash to avoid reflections. I want to capture the depth and sparkle of the stone.

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Old 01-02-2013, 11:33 AM   #4
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Use the faster lens. F2.8. Lots of bokeh and you're good. Just have it setup on the black velvet viewing board they are usually on. Maybe the setting is in the box in the background a little more out of focus. Just a thought. Experiment. Take lots of shots. I would recommend another lens personally like a 35mm or 50mm prime with f stops around 1.8 or 1.4. They are pretty cheap (for Nikon at least). Good luck.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:43 AM   #5
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Use the faster lens. F2.8. Lots of bokeh and you're good. Just have it setup on the black velvet viewing board they are usually on. Maybe the setting is in the box in the background a little more out of focus. Just a thought. Experiment. Take lots of shots. I would recommend another lens personally like a 35mm or 50mm prime with f stops around 1.8 or 1.4. They are pretty cheap (for Nikon at least). Good luck.
This is the worst advice possible. The speed of your lens is irrelevant. Buy a macro lens, and stop it down to get decent DOF, otherwise the entire stone will look OOF.

Read this for starters, then search YouTube for jewelry photography tutorials:
http://www.epicmind.com/blog/
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Edited: that article shows he will need to quite extensive PP? OP how's your photoshop abilities?
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Although there are several talented photographers on here, I suggest this post would be better suited on a photography form.

I would assume a macro lens would work best for this, if it's close up product photography that you plan on doing.
I personally don't own a Macro lens but I do have a Canon 500D close up filter that works great and it was only $100 bucks (pre-owned).

The 70-200 has a pretty high minimal focal length but it will be better then your wide angle 17-40L.
Shoot the 5D3 at the full 22.3MP file size, zoom the 70-200 all the way, find your focus and then crop the images if you need to "enlarge" them.

Use a tripod to maximize stability, to ensure the sharpest photography. Especially if you stop the lens down to gain more focus of the object.

Your biggest obstacle will probably be reflections and finding out how to light the diamonds/jewelry.
Search online, there's ton's of great tutorials on how to photograph jewelry.

Maybe build (or buy) a light box as well...
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Nearly $10k worth of equipment and you're asking about aperture and focal length....
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Here is what you're gonna do.

Buy:

1ft x 1ft piece of clear glass sheet.
1ft x 1ft piece of black paper.
30 x 40 inch piece of white presentation paper

Set up:

Put the black piece of paper on the desk, and the sheet of glass perfectly on top of it.
At the edge away from you, place the piece of construction paper in a cylinder type set up so that it goes around the sheet of glass on the sides, like a half moon almost. Place the diamond in the middle of the piece of glass, and frame it properly, using a tripod of course.. To light the diamond and the ring, use a large diffusion panel, like another large piece of white paper, and fire the flash you have through the paper. You'll get nice even lighting on the diamond.

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Man put that shiet on auto take the pic if you still have trouble, I'm sure if you send it to any of your e46 fan brothers. I'm sure well make it right. Lol
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thanks for all your help guys. i'll definitely be doing the glass shot that gheybe mentioned. if it turns out decent i'll post some of the pics when i schedule the shoot.
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The glass placed under the diamond... is that to reflect some of the light back up?

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The glass placed under the diamond... is that to reflect some of the light back up?

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No. The black sheet of paper and incidence angle do not allow for light to reflect up into the diamond. The glass is for reflection of the light from the background.
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Nearly $10k worth of equipment and you're asking about aperture and focal length....
OP read up on the basics of photography (aperture, shutter speed, focal lengths, ISO)
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A macro lens and 2 speedlites would be great for this setup. Gheybe gave great info as well.
Product photography isnt aways easy but with lighting it helps tremendously if you know how to control light.
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lol, some suggestions are quite interesting

I would aim for getting all the minute details that are hard to see by the naked eye and from afar.

Fill as much of the frame up as possible with the diamond and rely on cropping the photo as little as possible. A diamond is really small, so a dedicated macro lens might be required. I think the closest shot I tried to do without a macro lens was a drop of condensation on the side of a soda can and that barely worked with a normal lens.

Look into high intensity concentrated point lighting, ex. something like the sun. The higher intensity and the more concentrated the light source, the better the internal reflections and colors would be in the diamond because of the prismatic properties of it. This is how you'll get the "sparkles" that a lot of people like to see. This is also why jewelry counters normally have small bright 12 volt halogen lamps instead of fluorescents, not to mention fluorescents usually make things dull and green because of their unbalanced light spectrum.

A dark room and a softer lighting source is very good at getting exterior reflection of the subject which is fun as well. I've turned out the lights and set things up for a long and underexposed shot, and used my cell phone to selectively light the subject.

Definitely a tripod and a remote trigger to avoid any shaking which will blur the picture. Also essential if your jeweler's office isn't very well lit and you don't want to use a flash.
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