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Old 07-25-2011, 02:46 PM   #1
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Retrofit rear power windows problem

I've been during the past week installing rear power windows on my sedan, i thought i had everything covered, until i had installed everything (lifts motors, wires etc...) I searched the net and found out that only General Modules 5 -HIGH support rear power windows. And of course i have the 'LOW' model

Does anybody know if it's possible for me to buy a used UNCODED GM5 HIGH from year 1999 (my car is 2004) and have it reprogrammed by a dealer or by software? the partnumber on the used module is the same as the part shown in ETK that's suitable for my car (61353454607)?

AND, after i found out about this GM5 thing, i allso read that the rear windows have their own relays (i know nothing about relays, fuses and stuff like that!)
Can somebody tell me where the relay/relays should be located for the rear windows, i know somewhere behind the glovebox, but which numbers?

And the if someone happens to know what relays i need (partnumbers?) and what kind of connectors wires etc i need?
Maybe there's somekind of relay diagram out there, something simple and similar to WDS?

Thank you in advance for any help!
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:23 AM   #2
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I've been during the past week installing rear power windows on my sedan, i thought i had everything covered, until i had installed everything (lifts motors, wires etc...) I searched the net and found out that only General Modules 5 -HIGH support rear power windows. And of course i have the 'LOW' model
You got the pinch strip installed too or are you going to go without pinch protection?

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Does anybody know if it's possible for me to buy a used UNCODED GM5 HIGH from year 1999 (my car is 2004) and have it reprogrammed by a dealer or by software? the partnumber on the used module is the same as the part shown in ETK that's suitable for my car (61353454607)?
UNCODED modules are virgin modules with no operational code in them and are only available from the dealer. All modules that are in cars are CODED to the car. Why would you want a 1999 module for your 2004 car. There were many changes to the GM5 module over the years and you might find that using an old module in your '04 may result in some stop working. The only way to be sure you get one that will work is to get the latest UNCODED module from the dealer, add rear windows to the VO (vehicle order) and have it coded to your car. Please don't ask me what part number modules are compatible with your car because I have no idea.

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AND, after i found out about this GM5 thing, i allso read that the rear windows have their own relays (i know nothing about relays, fuses and stuff like that!)
Can somebody tell me where the relay/relays should be located for the rear windows, i know somewhere behind the glovebox, but which numbers?

And the if someone happens to know what relays i need (partnumbers?) and what kind of connectors wires etc i need?
Maybe there's somekind of relay diagram out there, something simple and similar to WDS?
The relays for the rear windows are INSIDE the GM5 HIGH module. There are no external relays, but, there is a fuse. You will need to install Fuse 71, 30Amp and the wiring to bring that power to the GM5 on connector X332-10.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:03 AM   #3
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You got the pinch strip installed too or are you going to go without pinch protection?
If by pinch strip you mean the jamming protection that the window goes in, then yes, i installed it



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UNCODED modules are virgin modules with no operational code in them and are only available from the dealer. All modules that are in cars are CODED to the car. Why would you want a 1999 module for your 2004 car. There were many changes to the GM5 module over the years and you might find that using an old module in your '04 may result in some stop working. The only way to be sure you get one that will work is to get the latest UNCODED module from the dealer, add rear windows to the VO (vehicle order) and have it coded to your car. Please don't ask me what part number modules are compatible with your car because I have no idea.
Well because one place had an uncoded (that's what they wrote in the description) from a 1999 car for 126, comparing to a new from the dealer which will get closer to 450, and at this point i don't have that extra cash.
And i thought that since the module for 126 has the same part number as ETK shows to be the latest produced for my car to, i thought they would be the same. Don't they usually change the BMW oem part number if they make changes? And the closest GM5-HIGH i have seen was from a 2002 if i remember right


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The relays for the rear windows are INSIDE the GM5 HIGH module. There are no external relays, but, there is a fuse. You will need to install Fuse 71, 30Amp and the wiring to bring that power to the GM5 on connector X332-10.
Ok, so once i get to the point where i have a new gm5 i don't need to worry about how to connect any relays... Good!
And the fuse 71 i have already put in place and connected it to the gm5
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:10 AM   #4
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Oh, and i also found this one on ebay...

With the same part number (i think) and compatible with my car.
But i'm abit confused with these modules right now
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:13 AM   #5
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anybody? anything about these gm5's?

The dealerships here are not being able to help me out
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Old 07-28-2011, 03:24 PM   #6
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Yes you can purchase a used GM5, have it coded to your car, then perform the rear window retrofit (which I believe is a retro-fittable option in progman/sss/ista for europe 316/18's) if not, you would need to get NCS Expert or Autologic to code it or have someone with rear windows code it in their car after installing the HIGH GM5.

Other option is I could code it for you with your ZCS string and ship it off.

PS: I have a GM5 High for sale for $75.
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DME = Engine Management Computer

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Old 07-29-2011, 03:48 AM   #7
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Ok, so a used module will work...
I allso got a 99% confirmation from a BMW specialist here in finland, that used modules work, but just need to be coded and added with the comfort-option for the power windows!

I'm writing this encase other people are seeking some kind of info about swapping Gm5's

iansanderson sent you a Pm, and thank you for your help!
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:30 AM   #8
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I can now confirm 100% for anybody wondering, or planning on doing a rear power window retrofit, that using a used GM5 (General Module 5) will work! It just needs to be re-programmed for your car! I now have working rear power windows!!

Special thanks to iansanderson for the help, and for selling me his GM5 + re-programming it for me!!
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Old 08-20-2016, 05:21 PM   #9
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Instead of making a new thread i may as well post in here. I'm also retro fitting electric rear pop-out windows in my 316Ti compact. I've installed themotors to the windows and i have the switches but that all i've got to so far. My module is a low version but i took a HIGH module from the same scrap car where i had the motors and switches from. I've fitted that module to my car but the alarm and remote no longer work. I assume i need to get this HIGH module coded now for my alarm to work as well as coding it to open the back windows?. The front windows still work.
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Instead of making a new thread i may as well post in here. I'm also retro fitting electric rear pop-out windows in my 316Ti compact. I've installed themotors to the windows and i have the switches but that all i've got to so far. My module is a low version but i took a HIGH module from the same scrap car where i had the motors and switches from. I've fitted that module to my car but the alarm and remote no longer work. I assume i need to get this HIGH module coded now for my alarm to work as well as coding it to open the back windows?. The front windows still work.
Search for "coding used gm5 e46" and you should find some threads on this. Here is one post.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpos...1&postcount=25
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Wow thanks for that. I've got inpa working. Will that code the module?
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Wow thanks for that. I've got inpa working. Will that code the module?
No. INPA does diagnostics, reads trouble codes, displays realtime data, etc., but doesn't do coding. For that you need NCS Expert, which should also be installed when you set up BMW Standard Tools.

Did you read the links in that post?
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I had a quick skim through it but I'm on my phone atm. I'm going to have a go at getting sss and ncs expert setup because I've got an OBC to code as well.
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I had a quick skim through it but I'm on my phone atm. I'm going to have a go at getting sss and ncs expert setup because I've got an OBC to code as well.
Don't bother with SSS, just use NCS Expert.
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Dear BaliDawg
sorry to jump in to this thread regarding install rear electric windows on E46 BMW saloon as you have done this conversion back in 2008,
can you please help on how to do it as I would like to do the same thing on my car ( E46 BMW 320d ES 2003 model no rear electric windows only in the front) , please if you have any pictures or diagram for the wiring loom to the rear doors and motors/switches also the GM5 module to use and the center console switches in all what to do.
Is it just the rear electric motors or also the the glass frame to make it go up and down??!!
I would appreciate all the help please
look forward to hearing from you
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I've been during the past week installing rear power windows on my sedan, i thought i had everything covered, until i had installed everything (lifts motors, wires etc...) I searched the net and found out that only General Modules 5 -HIGH support rear power windows. And of course i have the 'LOW' model

Does anybody know if it's possible for me to buy a used UNCODED GM5 HIGH from year 1999 (my car is 2004) and have it reprogrammed by a dealer or by software? the partnumber on the used module is the same as the part shown in ETK that's suitable for my car (61353454607)?

AND, after i found out about this GM5 thing, i allso read that the rear windows have their own relays (i know nothing about relays, fuses and stuff like that!)
Can somebody tell me where the relay/relays should be located for the rear windows, i know somewhere behind the glovebox, but which numbers?

And the if someone happens to know what relays i need (partnumbers?) and what kind of connectors wires etc i need?
Maybe there's somekind of relay diagram out there, something simple and similar to WDS?

Thank you in advance for any help!
Hi there
sorry to jump in to this thread regarding install rear electric windows on E46 BMW saloon as you have done this conversion back in 2008,
can you please help on how to do it as I would like to do the same thing on my car ( E46 BMW 320d ES 2003 model no rear electric windows only in the front) , please if you have any pictures or diagram for the wiring loom to the rear doors and motors/switches also the GM5 module to use and the center console switches in all what to do.
Is it just the rear electric motors or also the the glass frame to make it go up and down??!!
I would appreciate all the help please
look forward to hearing from you
Regards
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