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Old 01-22-2013, 08:17 AM   #21
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That's cute... You posted a statute and didnt even read it.

Post the rest and READ it
I read the statute. You were incorrect. And now you're just embarrassing yourself.
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Piers Morgan will have a field day with this. Another AR-15 involved in a shooting!
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The kid's father was a chaplain. He probably got tired of the religious horseshlt and lost it.
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in nj its a criminal offense to leave a loaded gun within easy access of minors...ie in your unsecured closet or not in a safe...
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No such law in NJ. You're a NJ officer, you should know that.


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2C:58-15. Minors access to a loaded firearm; penalty, co

1. a. A person who knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to a loaded firearm at a premises under the persons control commits a disorderly persons offense if a minor gains access to the firearm, unless the person: (SNIP)

It's NOT a crime to "to leave a loaded gun within easy access of minors" nor necessarily illegal to even give them access to them

To further point this out... One in NJ could leave 500 guns laying all over the house and no crime would be committed until and only when a minor gained access to them unless(another powerful word) the situation included activities inclusive to 2C:58-15b http://law.onecle.com/new-jersey/2c-...ce/58-6.1.html
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(1) To activities authorized by section 14 of P.L.1979, c.179, (C.2C:58-6.1), concerning the lawful use of a firearm by a minor; or

(2) Under circumstances where a minor obtained a firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person.
Ahead of your "semantics" and "whatever JonJon"... words means things. A single word, comma, underscore or quote can completely change a statute's meaning.
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The kid's father was a chaplain. He probably got tired of the religious horseshlt and lost it.
Classic Lair.
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Ahead of your "semantics" and "whatever JonJon"... words means things. A single word, comma, underscore or quote can completely change a statute's meaning.
Let's review that "unless"...

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2C:58-6.1. Possession of firearms by minors; exceptions

14. a. No person under the age of 18 years shall purchase, barter or otherwise acquire a firearm and no person under the age of 21 years shall purchase, barter or otherwise acquire a handgun, unless the person is authorized to possess the handgun in connection with the performance of official duties under the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6.

b. No person under the age of 18 years shall possess, carry, fire or use a firearm except as provided under paragraphs (1), (2), (3) and (4) of this subsection; and, unless authorized in connection with the performance of official duties under the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6, no person under the age of 21 years shall possess, carry, fire or use a handgunexcept under the following circumstances:

(1) In the actual presence or under the direct supervision of his father, mother or guardian, or some other person who holds a permit to carry a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, as the case may be; or

(2) For the purpose of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and under competent supervision; or

(3) For the purpose of competition or target practice in and upon a firing range approved by the governing body of the municipality in which the range is located or the National Rifle Association and which is under competent supervision at the time of such supervision or target practice or instruction and training at any location; or

(4) For the purpose of hunting during the regularly designated hunting season, provided that he possesses a valid hunting license and has successfully completed a hunter's safety course taught by a qualified instructor or conservation officer and possesses a certificate indicating the successful completion of such a course.

Keep digging that hole.
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Let's review that "unless"...

Keep digging that hole.
Diggin? You're inside it and I'm just covering it up
The main qualifier of the statute is primary here. You can't ignore the "if"
It's not illegal nor is it a crime unless the minor gains access to said firearm.
That simple fact alone proves my response correct.

You're way down into the secondary exceptions which are inconsequential unless the qualifier is met

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Wait.. He killed everyone with a .22 except for his father where he used the AR-15... So ban .22?
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It's not illegal nor is it a crime unless the minor gains access to said firearm.
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Wait.. He killed everyone with a .22 except for his father where he used the AR-15... So ban .22?
I thought it was a .22 ar-15
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What made this kid snap? Probably media coverage of recent shootings. Teenagers especially are influenced by television and media. Someone who wants to stand out and "break free" has found a medium to do it in, and they know that killing will get them to that medium. Killing the family itself with no remorse makes him an outright sociopath.
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I thought it was a .22 ar-15
.223 but close enough. Much higher bullet velocity though
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Dont know the laws everywhere else but in nj its a criminal offense to leave a loaded gun within easy access of minors...ie in your unsecured closet or not in a safe...most of these mass murders that happen with guns are usually with guns that were legally purchased but were stolen or taken by someone else.

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What made this kid snap? Probably media coverage of recent shootings. Teenagers especially are influenced by television and media. Someone who wants to stand out and "break free" has found a medium to do it in, and they know that killing will get them to that medium. Killing the family itself with no remorse makes him an outright sociopath.
I would certainly like to know! But the discussion won't bother. So the debate over gun control and gun rights continues without any understanding of the incidents that spark such controversial debates.
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Wait.. He killed everyone with a .22 except for his father where he used the AR-15... So ban .22?
Finally! Some gun aficionado wants to ban guns
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uh oh...an AR was involved. we all know where this thread is going.
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Piers Morgan will have a field day with this. Another AR-15 involved in a shooting!
I find it interesting they pointed that out. That's the liberal media for ya.

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What made this kid snap? Probably media coverage of recent shootings. Teenagers especially are influenced by television and media. Someone who wants to stand out and "break free" has found a medium to do it in, and they know that killing will get them to that medium. Killing the family itself with no remorse makes him an outright sociopath.
I agree. The media has to be a cause. People are influenced and aspired by other's actions.
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Oh and I would just like to say as a responsible gun owner all of my firearms are locked away in a steel gun cabinet not loosely stored throughout the house.
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