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Old 01-22-2013, 03:33 PM   #21
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... damn .... next time just hold off till the cold air passes through and sacrifice your balls for two hours when its slightly warmer...

its about -5F here in Ontario and id still wouldn't pay that much!

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Old 01-22-2013, 03:34 PM   #22
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I honestly don't know how people can afford cars these days... with prices like this, who has money for food and rent/mortgage?

OP next time rent a local garage for three hours and do it yourself if location is needed. All brake jobs are similar, bmw is actually one of the easiest.

or come by next time... you'll still save yourself $$$ after round trip and my fee ;-)

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I can't afford a mechanic. I don't know how you can even afford a mechanic for a POS car. That's why most people's cars suck anyway. They don't know how to do preventative maintenance, so their car just wears out and starts falling apart, then they get each thing fixed as it blows up by a mechanic. Then they blame the unreliability on the car manufacturer.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:41 PM   #23
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It was the only repair I've done at the dealer so far. The only other repair I had was the valve cover gasket and the vanos unit (dr. vanos ftw). I don't know where I can rent a garage around sterling va. Also shops on bimmershops aren't that cheap either.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:41 PM   #24
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I can't afford a mechanic. I don't know how you can even afford a mechanic for a POS car. That's why most people's cars suck anyway. They don't know how to do preventative maintenance, so their car just wears out and starts falling apart, then they get each thing fixed as it blows up by a mechanic. Then they blame the unreliability on the car manufacturer.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:43 PM   #25
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Maybe they didn't use anti squeak on the pads? OP $1,400 is a rip off. I would rather freeze outside than over pay to have my brakes replaced.
It's not a rip off. It's the standard dealer cost for replacing pads. I got quoted 1800 last year by the dealer and 1200 by brakesplus.

I always try to get quotes before i DIY, just to see how much I am going to be saving.

A local member here helped me in installing the pads and rotors. A retaining bolt was stuck so I had to take it to the shop to do one rotor. Cost me $40 for labor only.

OP, I did my brakes in February while it was snowing last year.

Yesterday I was fixing my door handle in 30 degrees weather.
And today it's 65 degrees. More reason to love Colorado.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:54 PM   #26
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How do you do your work during snow?? And did you do your work in the garage or in a parking lot?
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100% spot on
Mango, you should put this quote into your sig! It's like a quote from the Mango Bible on Preventive Maintenance
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:06 PM   #28
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It's not a rip off. It's the standard dealer cost for replacing pads.
Rip off is in the eye of the beholder!
More to it than 'it's standard'.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:08 PM   #29
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How do you do your work during snow?? And did you do your work in the garage or in a parking lot?
For brakes, we did it in a garage. But everything else I do it in a parking lot.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:12 PM   #30
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Rip off is in the eye of the beholder!
More to it than 'it's standard'.
Yes, it is expensive but the standard labor is around 200 at the dealers. And being a BMW dealer they will mark up the price in the parts as well.

What I meant was, if you go for a repair to a dealership, you have to be ready to pay as well. No way I am going to the dealership for the brake work, but if you are then you have to expect to pay the amount. Whether a rip off or not.
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OP - I did not realize that my comment would lead to even more people piling on you, and even bringing your balls into the discussion, so, sorry for that. But, once there is blood in the water.....

On the subject of the warped rotor you mentioned - A warped rotor is actually quite rare. As others have mentioned, your brakes should have been bedded. This prevents deposits from the pads from building up on the rotors, and causing an uneven rotor surface. There is a more thorough explanation here:
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:22 PM   #32
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MJLavelle, I've ready that already, and like some others have said the dealer should have bedded them in after installation. Although the instructions state that I have to at least do this for a a few hundred miles. Regardless. Now that its starting to make the noise I'm assuming that there are deposits from the pads on the rotor surface, but how would I get that clean that now? I don't want to machine those rotors. From the looks of it they're really thin. Would bedding them now help any at all?
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:26 PM   #33
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Also here's another thought, could I have stuck caliper that could be forcing the pad to be stuck on the rotor?
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Either take it to the dealer and tell them to bed the brakes, or do it yourself.

Basically you just go from about 60mph to 5 mph repeatedly without resting about 10 times. You put the brakes on as hard as you can without tripping the ABS. After the last time, drive for several minutes to cool the rotors so the brake pads don't stick to the rotor. Don't come to a full stop during the process. You'll need a long abandoned county road or state route.

By the end of this you should be able to smell your brakes. They'll be smooth after this.
to be clear you start off braking lightly, and go a little harder each time, only the last couple/few are at full force.
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the standard labor is around 200 at the dealers.
Only in mile high territory! Most of the ones I know are just over the hundred mark.

What I meant was, if you go for a repair to a dealership, you have to be ready to pay as well.
Agree with that sentiment. Dealer uses flat rate hours, so if book says three hours, that's what you get charged, even when it's a 20 minute job. But it's their garage, tools and mechanics. They make the rules and no one's forcing you.
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Agree with that sentiment. Dealer uses flat rate hours, so if book says three hours, that's what you get charged, even when it's a 20 minute job. But it's their garage, tools and mechanics. They make the rules and no one's forcing you.
That's exactly what I meant. If you go to a dealer's for a repair they are going to charge you a lot.
It's not a rip off, that's how they make money and we all know about it. Even the shops here charge over 100 an hour.
Our conversation is not helping OP at all though.

OP, you paid 1400. There is no reason that you should be doing any repairs on the same. Take it back there. You paid for the peace of mind and even if they have to install new pads and rotors, its going to be free.
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That's exactly what I meant. If you go to a dealer's for a repair they are going to charge you a lot.
It's not a rip off, that's how they make money and we all know about it. Even the shops here charge over 100 an hour.
Our conversation is not helping OP at all though.

OP, you paid 1400. There is no reason that you should be doing any repairs on the same. Take it back there. You paid for the peace of mind and even if they have to install new pads and rotors, its going to be free.
thats exactly it. it does cost more but, its factory trained mechanics using oe parts. part of the reason/justification is also that no matter what it takes it will be made right, if for some reason its not the first time. i know it doesnt always happen that way, but thats how its supposed to be.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:42 PM   #38
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Well then I'll have to show my violent side (not that I have much of) if they don't fix/replace it. Maybe I'll go with a few friends.
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Speak softly, logically, and be firm. Keep reasoning with them until it all makes you satisfied. You need the practice.



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Old 01-22-2013, 06:33 PM   #40
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Speak softly, logically, and be firm. Keep reasoning with them until it all makes you satisfied. You need the practice.

Haha, aww, I was hoping to be loud and shouty. Guess I'll have to give this a try first.
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