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Old 01-23-2013, 12:51 PM   #21
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"Too far left!" Left of what? If the GOP were to trudge any further to the right than they already have, they'd fall off the edge of a flat earth.

I would agree that the party lacks leadership, but then it has become so reactionary and directionless in ideology and policy that it there really is no clear direction for anyone to steer to, expect perhaps back to the light and within the mainstream of reasonable political thought and discourse. As for charisma, the party has plenty of that, unfortunately all of the wrong and a rather odious kind.
The party went fairly left under GW fiscally, they expanded medicare, they got even more involved in education, they spent a crapload, stimulus, bailouts, etc.

I wouldn't even characterize military intervention as a right/left thing as some of our biggest, most unnecessary and most expensive wars were led by Democrat presidents.
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There are several ways. They can become the party of responsible spending and disciplined financial planning. In seems in recent years they spent more time trying to remind and convince people they're fiscally conservative versus actually embracing the notion.

They can make huge gains among women by keeping their mouths shut on topics like abortion and rape. No one wants to hear an old white man tell us "how it is." It would also be a smart decision to back off planned parent hood. And instead of pushing a Pro-Life agenda they can redirect efforts towards increasing sex education, adoption awareness programs and allowing safe heavens where mother's can drop-off their kids no questions asked to places like a fire department or hospital.

Finally, there is a lot of ground to be gained among minorities and immigrants. It has to be more than a superficial interest. And it only takes a few key Republicans to make a huge difference for the party's image. It will take years to gain the trust of minorities and immigrants, but it can be done if done with sincerity.
Casino pretty much nailed it. Like I tell a lot of conservative friends and family: we live an era where people should be treated equal and social issues should no longer drape headlines. Instead we should be less focused on caring so much about the differences between each other and more so about the economy and foreign policy. That's politics imo. Social issues will not matter if this country defaults or collapses. I value everybody the same so long as they have good intentions and can reason/comprehend.
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"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:54 PM   #23
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Casino pretty much nailed it. Like I tell a lot of conservative friends and family: we live an era where people should be treated equal and social issues should no longer drape headlines. Instead we should be less focused on caring so much about the differences between each other and more so about the economy and foreign policy. That's politics imo. Social issues will not matter if this country defaults or collapses. I value everybody the same so long as they have good intentions and can reason/comprehend.
Trouble is, the Christianazi wing of the Republican Party, which is a large and influential part of the GOP base, are more than eager to basically enact into law their particular religious and social beliefs and enforce them through the force of our government. I don't see them giving that up readily.

On the other hand, you have the "leave me the heck alone" libertarian wing of the GOP, which is hardly insignificant and somewhat ascendent in the Tea Party wing. How the GOP reconciles these two diametrically opposing world views on the role of government (or the lack thereof) will be interesting. Then there is also the strong isolationist wing vs. the interventionist/militarist Neo Con wing, not to mention the Big Business / Wall Street vs. the populist / little guy tensions.

As I've mentioned before, there actually is a lot of ideological tension and contradictions that have been kept pent-up/tamped down under the GOP lid when they were still much more in power and through rather rigid party discipline. Now that they're much reduced in power (and things are looking grimmer yet, demographically speaking, into the future) and the vaunted party discipline is withering, those fractures are quickly growing into gaping fault lines.

This is not to say they can't or won't get their schmidt together, but that will not be either a quick nor easy process and will certainly require far more than polishing their messaging or public persona.

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No, but he has forgotten his roots.
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Because, Powell said, “I grew up under Ronald Reagan and Cap Weinberger and George Schultz and George Herbert Walker Bush — that’s the Republican party I know — the Howard Bakers of the world, and I think we’ve drifted from that. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to drift a little bit back. Not because it’s just good to be moderate, but because that’s where the American people are. They lost an election — two.”

How has he forgotten his roots when he states this?
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In order for the GOP to survive they need to evolve; a practice that's not well embraced or understood among some in their party.
No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
They are not fiscally conservative enough. They are far too socially conservative.
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
Why did the GOP party bosses pick Romney in the first place?
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They are not fiscally conservative enough. They are far too socially conservative.
Romney would have won (in my opinion) if he was socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Saying the GOP is out of touch, ancient, etc is just stupid, since both parties have their heads completely up their asses. Neither one will help this country.
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.


says the guy who so ardently supported him prior to the elections

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Romney would have won (in my opinion) if he was socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Saying the GOP is out of touch, ancient, etc is just stupid, since both parties have their heads completely up their asses. Neither one will help this country.
He was not even close to being a fiscal conservative, but he was socially conservative in my opinion.


Saying that the GOP is out of touch/stupid/whatever doesn't insinuate that the Democratic party is perfect, so I'm not sure what your concern is.
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says the guy who so ardently supported him prior to the elections
Fail. I didn't even vote for him.
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Why did the GOP party bosses pick Romney in the first place?
That was a big mistake IMHO.
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Fail. I didn't even vote for him.
I don't care if you did, or didn't. Should we sift back through your posts in the political section

edit: Did you not vote at all?

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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
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Oddly, I don't recall Colin Powell coming out to "slam" the GOP or even support democrats until another black guy came along...funny how that works
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Oddly, I don't recall Colin Powell coming out to "slam" the GOP or even support democrats until another black guy came along...funny how that works
Why do you think that?
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Oddly, I don't recall Colin Powell coming out to "slam" the GOP or even support democrats until another black guy came along...funny how that works
Perhaps because the GOP hadn't stooped to quite such political and ideological lows until a black guy came along...it is funny how that works.
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Oddly, I don't recall Colin Powell coming out to "slam" the GOP or even support democrats until another black guy came along...funny how that works
Funny how that's where your mind goes first. I didn't even think about that until you brought it up.

If that's where you turn, one could say that the Republican party has shifted quite a bit in the past 4 years and with their most recent failure to "take back" the presidency, perhaps he thought it a good time to state his feelings.
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
You're right. The GOP is doing a terrible job capturing the old white demographic. Better go more conservative.
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Oddly, I don't recall Colin Powell coming out to "slam" the GOP or even support democrats until another black guy came along...funny how that works
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