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Old 05-11-2014, 12:19 PM   #81
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Old 05-11-2014, 05:45 PM   #82
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Can someone tell me what the difference is between this;
http://www.amazon.com/ScanTool-42300.../dp/B002PYBZJO

and these;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V1-5-ELM327-...item3cdf16aded

And this, I know this one is a bluetooth one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBD2-OBD-II-...item540877190d

But why the price difference? Is it due to the amazon link coming with actual software while the two ebay ones are simply just the scanners?
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Can someone tell me what the difference is between this;
http://www.amazon.com/ScanTool-42300.../dp/B002PYBZJO

and these;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V1-5-ELM327-...item3cdf16aded

And this, I know this one is a bluetooth one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBD2-OBD-II-...item540877190d

But why the price difference? Is it due to the amazon link coming with actual software while the two ebay ones are simply just the scanners?
The Amazon on has an valid copy of OBDWiz, should not be full of Malware and you should get it in a few days from Amazon.

The ebay one may or may not have OBDWiz and if it does it will likely be a pirate copy and the disc will likely be full of Malware, you will also probably wait about 3-4 weeks to get it because it ships from China.

The Bluetooth OBD interface is also shipped from China, will likely take 3-4 weeks to arrive and the software is likely pirated and the disc will be full of Malware. No idea if this Bluetooth interface is reliable. In any case, I would not use the software that came with this interface, assuming you have an Android phone, I would purchase the Torque Pro App for $5.

If you have an iDevice/iProduct they require OBDII to WiFi adapters.

You choose!

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Old 05-11-2014, 06:06 PM   #84
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The Amazon on has an valid copy of OBDWiz, should not be full of Malware and you should get it in a few days from Amazon.

The ebay one may or may not have OBDWiz and if it does it will likely be a pirate copy and the disc will likely be full of Malware, you will also probably wait about 3-4 weeks to get it because it ships from China.

The Bluetooth OBD interface is also shipped from China, will likely take 3-4 weeks to arrive and the software is likely pirated and the disc will be full of Malware. No idea if this Bluetooth interface is reliable. In any case, I would not use the software that came with this interface, assuming you have an Android phone, I would purchase the Torque Pro App for $5.

If you have an iDevice/iProduct they require OBDII to WiFi adapters.

You choose!

Good luck.
No droid, Apple device here

Also got a macbook that I run parelles with for INPA etc.

However I'd like to get a generic tool so maybe I should stay away from the bluetooth variant just to stray away from issues trying to make that work with a laptop (even tho my macbook has bluetooth).

Whats your recommendation for a computer based reader, is the ELM327 a good choice with OBD Wiz?
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No droid, Apple device here

Also got a macbook that I run parelles with for INPA etc.

However I'd like to get a generic tool so maybe I should stay away from the bluetooth variant just to stray away from issues trying to make that work with a laptop (even tho my macbook has bluetooth).

Whats your recommendation for a computer based reader, is the ELM327 a good choice with OBD Wiz?
Look at OBDFusion for $10 and a OBDII to WiFi adapter. Apple locks down the Bluetooth on many of their devices for security reasons so the work around in the OBDII to WiFi.

For a computer based program, I would probably just go with the USB interface and OBDWiz, tends to be a very reasonably priced option. But the Smart Phone Apps offer a lot of flexibility over a laptop based product.
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:30 PM   #86
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Has anyone looked at this:

http://www.ivini-apps.com/apps_detai...t_android.html
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Look at OBDFusion for $10 and a OBDII to WiFi adapter. Apple locks down the Bluetooth on many of their devices for security reasons so the work around in the OBDII to WiFi.

For a computer based program, I would probably just go with the USB interface and OBDWiz, tends to be a very reasonably priced option. But the Smart Phone Apps offer a lot of flexibility over a laptop based product.
Think I'll stick with something PC based as phones fade out and you get upgrades etc and then the same dongle won't work with the next phone.

So PC wise, seems like the best bet is to go with a OBDWiz program, seems to do everything that one would need for basic DIY and troubleshooting?
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Think I'll stick with something PC based as phones fade out and you get upgrades etc and then the same dongle won't work with the next phone.

So PC wise, seems like the best bet is to go with a OBDWiz program, seems to do everything that one would need for basic DIY and troubleshooting?
Smart Phone interface (dongle) options are really only 2 types.

OBDII-Bluetooth for Android and I believe Windows Phone, someone may even have an App for the Blackberry 10 as well?

The OBDII-Bluetooth interface will also work for laptops assuming you have OBDII software that runs on a laptop and supports a Bluetooth interface.

iDevices/iProducts (touch, pad, phone) - OBDII to WiFi.

Apps are usually $10 or less for most versions.

We are only talking about $35 USD or less typically.
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Well I'd go with a OBD to Bluetooth however how do I obtain the software or am I missing something here? The amazon link has the software.. eBay ones do not.

Or are we referring to torrenting these programs?


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Well I'd go with a OBD to Bluetooth however how do I obtain the software or am I missing something here? The amazon link has the software.. eBay ones do not.

Or are we referring to torrenting these programs?
You need to be VERY careful here.

The Amazon link that has the OBDWiz is actually a USB to OBDII dongle based cable. Requires the specific cable.

Most of the Bluetooth to OBDII interfaces may not have any software. They are primarily sold for use with smart phone Apps.

Most of the interfaces that ship from China have pirated software with cracks and often have discs loaded with Malware.

You could use your friend Google to search for free OBDII software that might use a Bluetooth to OBDII interface, however, most of these programs are written to use a non dongle based USB to OBDII interface that use the FTDI chipsets. These can commonly be known as VAG or Blue cables.

Understand you are trying to cheap out here, but you are talking to the wrong person about cheaping out on this. I have thousands of dollars in OBDII tools and software and I have learned that tying to get a $5-$10 solution is not probably worth your time.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:09 PM   #91
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Not any experience with this App, appears to be a newer entry into the field.

The one thing that stands out and is of concern is this - "E46, E39 and other older models- only with our USB-OBD cable on USB-OTG!"

So for some reason it appears this may not work for the E46 vintage vehicles on a smart phone platform without the USB option?

So to have full coverage there will be at least 2 different interface options required.
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You need to be VERY careful here.

The Amazon link that has the OBDWiz is actually a USB to OBDII dongle based cable. Requires the specific cable.

Most of the Bluetooth to OBDII interfaces may not have any software. They are primarily sold for use with smart phone Apps.

Most of the interfaces that ship from China have pirated software with cracks and often have discs loaded with Malware.

You could use your friend Google to search for free OBDII software that might use a Bluetooth to OBDII interface, however, most of these programs are written to use a non dongle based USB to OBDII interface that use the FTDI chipsets. These can commonly be known as VAG or Blue cables.

Understand you are trying to cheap out here, but you are talking to the wrong person about cheaping out on this. I have thousands of dollars in OBDII tools and software and I have learned that tying to get a $5-$10 solution is not probably worth your time.
Okay.. so the Amazon link that references the OBD II dongle and OBD Wiz software, the dongle is specifically for that particular software and cannot be used with other programs?

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You could use your friend Google to search for free OBDII software that might use a Bluetooth to OBDII interface, however, most of these programs are written to use a non dongle based USB to OBDII interface that use the FTDI chipsets. These can commonly be known as VAG or Blue cables.
So if I obtain free OBD II software, it still wouldn't lets say work with that amazon link/dongle? But instead I might be able to make it work with ebay stuff? The ebay stuff states it uses the ELM327 chipset and not FTDI, the FTDI chipset is what's in my VAG cable that I use for INPA etc and I actually tried using that before with generic OBD II software and it never worked properly.

I think this is getting a bit complicated, I simply need a OBD II scanner/reader/dongle/ whatever you want to call it that I can plug into the 98% of cars out there to get a code readout when a CEL is triggered etc.

I don't need the WIFI to Bluetooth or whatever dongle. I simply want a good ol' USB cable to OBD II cable. Now the software part well that's where I am open to ideas.
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If you want a PC/USB program, just get the $25 Amazon USB dongle with the free OBDWiz software and move on.

Until you understand all the variations that there are interfaces (can use ANY software that has drivers and software for the type of interface) and dongles based items. As far as I am concerned a dongle is not a universal interface, but something specific and/or paired with a software package. Sometimes even locked to a software package via serial number or MAC address.
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If you want a PC/USB program, just get the $25 Amazon USB dongle with the free OBDWiz software and move on.

Until you understand all the variations that there are interfaces (can use ANY software that has drivers and software for the type of interface) and dongles based items. As far as I am concerned a dongle is not a universal interface, but something specific and/or paired with a software package. Sometimes even locked to a software package via serial number or MAC address.
I get ya, the dongle is tied to the program.

So maybe I'll get one of those $8 ebay adapters that has the ELM327 chipset and that should open the doors a little more for me come functionality time as ELM327 seems to be a generic and common used chipset for these OBD2 programs?
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I get ya, the dongle is tied to the program.

So maybe I'll get one of those $8 ebay adapters that has the ELM327 chipset and that should open the doors a little more for me come functionality time as ELM327 seems to be a generic and common used chipset for these OBD2 programs?
Just realize since you are an iDevice/iProduct user, the Bluetooth interface will not work with them, only PC software or Android based Apps.

Want to make that clear in case any others are following the thread, do not want them to jump on a Bluetooth device thinking it will work on an iDevice/iProduct.
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Just realize since you are an iDevice/iProduct user, the Bluetooth interface will not work with them, only PC software or Android based Apps.

Want to make that clear in case any others are following the thread, do not want them to jump on a Bluetooth device thinking it will work on an iDevice/iProduct.
Thanks, I'm staying away from getting something that works with my iPhone. Because what might work with my current phone, might not work in a year or two's time when I get a new phone.

I'll take a look at the ELM327 bluetooth adapters or straight USB cables. My macbook has Bluetooth so if I can elimate the wire part that might be even better.

Just the question is would I have better success with a bluetooth interface or a USB one?
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Just the question is would I have better success with a bluetooth interface or a USB one?
Depends on the software, the software has to be able to support either BT or USB. Some may support both, some my only support one interface.

In general the USB is probably more stable overall and less likely to get bum interfaces.

You get what you pay for and a Asian $8 BT interface likely will not be able to handle higher polling cycles and may only read and process the most common OBDII data stream, not all protocols.

Although OBDII is standardized, there are a number of different communication protocols used and both the Interface and the Software need to be able to support the scanning and detecting of the different protocols.

I have even seen main stream vendors have problem detecting and communicating with the different protocols.
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The Amazon on has an valid copy of OBDWiz, should not be full of Malware and you should get it in a few days from Amazon.

The ebay one may or may not have OBDWiz and if it does it will likely be a pirate copy and the disc will likely be full of Malware, you will also probably wait about 3-4 weeks to get it because it ships from China.

The Bluetooth OBD interface is also shipped from China, will likely take 3-4 weeks to arrive and the software is likely pirated and the disc will be full of Malware. No idea if this Bluetooth interface is reliable. In any case, I would not use the software that came with this interface, assuming you have an Android phone, I would purchase the Torque Pro App for $5.

If you have an iDevice/iProduct they require OBDII to WiFi adapters.

You choose!

Good luck.
I have been lurking and following this thread as well ... Thanks for your knowledge !

so this is the one ... http://www.amazon.com/ScanTool-42300.../dp/B002PYBZJO ... I'm assuming I also need the cable.. USB 2.0 Extension Cable Type A Male to Type A Female 6 ft, Black ... ?

Also ... I have the xcar360 1.4.0, it worked a few times very good at first but now I am locked out of it. Been chasing some new drivers I need to try but so far no joy. I bought the 20 pin round adapter for my 2000 BMW 323, will this work with the ElmScan 5 ?_nr_
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I had the PA Soft 1.4.0 Software and Scanner, but my computer had to be upgraded to windows 7 and I lost the functionality. Is there something else I can use or get PA Soft to work on Windows 7, help!?
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I had the PA Soft 1.4.0 Software and Scanner, but my computer had to be upgraded to windows 7 and I lost the functionality. Is there something else I can use or get PA Soft to work on Windows 7, help!?
A number of people have gotten P.A. Soft 1.4 to successfully run on a Windows 7 64-bit machine, myself included. It's been a while, but here's some useful links I kept bookmarked:

Post #1: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=942966

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Believe the first link above is all I used, and everything worked flawlessly.
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