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Old 01-30-2013, 10:52 AM   #41
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If something designed NOT to kill (cigarettes, alcohol, etc.) does a better job at killing than something that IS designed to kill (a firearm), then what does that say about it all?


The point is that the inanimate object is not the issue, it's the individual holding that object and the actions they take with it.
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It is hard to arm myself with a cigarette or a heart attack and kill someone else.



Evolved... gun advocates should embrace the original purpose of the firearm. Attempts to justify its place in society by indicating it's less dangerous than another object is not a justification at all. It's pathetic and weak.

Argue the 2nd Amendment. Argue that it only keeps guns out of the hands of good people. Argue that a person should have a right to protect themselves. Argue that a person has a right to go hunting.

People who bring up hammers and cars are too lazy to argue the real merits.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:58 AM   #42
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It is hard to arm myself with a cigarette or a heart attack and kill someone else.
That's true, but if politicians were really concerned with the death of citizens they would be going after the bigger killers.

The point remains, what is to be gained, or how will society be safer if they enact certain restrictions? Handguns are off of the table, shotguns would limit too many hunters, and rifles account for very few deaths. So, what's the end goal?
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Evolved... gun advocates should embrace the original purpose of the firearm. Attempts to justify its place in society by indicating it's less dangerous than another object is not a justification at all. It's pathetic and weak.

Argue the 2nd Amendment. Argue that it only keeps guns out of the hands of good people. Argue that a person should have a right to protect themselves. Argue that a person has a right to go hunting.

People who bring up hammers and cars are too lazy to argue the real merits.
Fair point, lol.
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because some people use items for their intended purpose.
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Drunk driving causes more deaths than all firearms combined. Ban liquor?
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Evolved... gun advocates should embrace the original purpose of the firearm. Attempts to justify its place in society by indicating it's less dangerous than another object is not a justification at all. It's pathetic and weak.

Argue the 2nd Amendment. Argue that it only keeps guns out of the hands of good people. Argue that a person should have a right to protect themselves. Argue that a person has a right to go hunting.

People who bring up hammers and cars are too lazy to argue the real merits.
When laws are passed using facts and common sense, arguments will also be based on common sense. Until then, when they are going after ARs because they look scary, I will talk about the price of tea in china.....but but but...think of the children.
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Drunk driving causes more deaths than all firearms combined. Ban liquor?
The answer to drunk driving deaths is more drunk drivers.

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Figures in your little mind thats the analogy you come up with.
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That's just criminally horrible logic right there
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If something designed NOT to kill (cigarettes, alcohol, etc.) does a better job at killing than something that IS designed to kill (a firearm), then what does that say about it all?


The point is that the inanimate object is not the issue, it's the individual holding that object and the actions they take with it.
Alcohol and cigarettes cannot be forced into masses of people to kill them instantly easily and strategically. Guns can. Bombs can.

The point I'm trying to make is, people need to come up with a hell of a lot better argument than this. The whole "GUNS ARE JUST TOOLS" and "ANYTHING CAN KILL ANYBODY" argument is so lame. It's on-par with people that sit there spouting how "Marijuana is a medicine" and "Abortions will reduce evidence for rape cases."

Everyone should just admit what they're trying to do.

- You want to have guns because they're fun to shoot, and they protect your home
- You want marijuana to be legal because you want to get high
- You want abortion to be illegal because your religion says so

People need to just get to the point and stop bullshitting around. Talk to anyone about guns and the first thing they'll discuss is how fun it is to shoot it at the range. That's the first thing I talk about.
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Attempts to justify its place in society by indicating it's less dangerous than another object is not a justification at all. It's pathetic and weak.
True this. Whatever else one's thoughts on gun control might be, this is a very weak and disingenuous argument to make. The core purpose of guns is there extremely effective and efficient lethality, it is folly to try to argue around that. Were guns not so very lethal, then why even arguing for them as a means of personal/home protection versus, say, down feather pillows? The most basic raison d'etre for guns is ultimately their capability to kill and that should remain at the core of any gun control argument, pro or con. All other considerations (sports, collecting, object d'art, etc.) are secondary at most.
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Drunk driving causes more deaths than all firearms combined. Ban liquor?
No, but effectively control and regulate its production, sales and distribution and severely prosecute any and all subsequent misuse (DWI, selling to a minor, etc.).

Perhaps the liquor analogy is not a bad one: outright banning certainly didn't work but effective regulation and control is a middle ground approach that could mitigate, if not prevent, the negative aspects of liquor possession and consumption.
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When laws are passed using facts and common sense, arguments will also be based on common sense. Until then, when they are going after ARs because they look scary, I will talk about the price of tea in China...
You're exactly the kind of person who needs to sit down and keep quiet. You tarnish the reputations of responsible and level-headed gun owners who can actually argue the facts and true merits of gun ownership. They're the one's who can sway public opinion. Not you.


Actually, I take that back. You do sway public opinion. But in the opposite direction you intended. Congratulations.
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You're exactly the kind of person who needs to sit down and keep quiet. You tarnish the reputations of responsible and level-headed gun owners who can actually argue the facts and true merits of gun ownership. They're the one's who can sway public opinion. Not you.


Actually, I take that back. You do sway public opinion. But in the opposite direction you intended. Congratulations.
Thats your faulty logic right there, unlike libtards, I don't try and sway anyones opinion. Enjoy your gun free zone bud.
This is you and the rest of them...

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No, but effectively control and regulate its production, sales and distribution and severely prosecute any and all subsequent misuse (DWI, selling to a minor, etc.).

Perhaps the liquor analogy is not a bad one: outright banning certainly didn't work but effective regulation and control is a middle ground approach that could mitigate, if not prevent, the negative aspects of liquor possession and consumption.
At least you understood that the analogy would be drunk drivers and liquor, not drunk drivers and drunk drivers. The point is you don't make liquor harder to get right? You don't make higher proof liquor harder/impossible to get right? No. What you do is simply enforce what's on the books, and punish those that abuse the substance, thats it. If we are not banning Bacardi 151, you cannot come up with a 1/2 rational argument for banning "assault weapons."
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Thats your faulty logic right there, unlike libtards...
And now you know why no one takes you seriously.
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And now you know why no one takes you seriously.
I hear rustling....glad to hear that your fan club is doing well.
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I hear rustling....glad to hear that your fan club is doing well.
I love firearms. I think they're beautiful pieces of engineering. They're fun to shoot at the range. They can be used for self defense. You can even go out into the wilderness and hunt your own food. Even the sound and feel along is amazing. I don't see the need for a ban on AR-15'esque firearms. I think the restrictions in Chicago are ineffective for what they're trying to accomplish.

Even with that said I still think you're an embarrassment to the voices of those who advocate gun rights and ownership. You do them a disservice by opening your mouth with your juvenile and empty comparisons to hammers.


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