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Old 01-30-2013, 11:17 AM   #21
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I've read it. So, they've broken the law by coming here illegally, but we're giving them provisional legal status for being so crafty?


My bro in law is an MD. Here on visa from Brazil. How about we start immigration reform with those people. Want to whip the wand out? Do it for those who have worked hard and are contributing. This is simply pandering.
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I've read it. So, they've broken the law by coming here illegally, but we're giving them provisional legal status for being so crafty?


My bro in law is an MD. Here on visa from Brazil. How about we start immigration reform with those people. Want to whip the wand out? Do it for those who have worked hard and are contributing. This is simply pandering.
Your brother-in-law should have married an American. That's what my mother did.

I would rather stop the bleeding and implement a process moving forward that prevents it from happening again even if it's not fair to those who've been waiting.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:20 AM   #23
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amnesty international put a delay on people immigrating through the proper channels when i was immigrating to the US. Rewarding illegal activity for political gain IS the American way.
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Your brother-in-law should have married an American. That's what my mother did.

I would rather stop the bleeding and implement a process moving forward that prevents it from happening again even if it's not fair to those who've been waiting.
He has married an American. You still have to apply to become a naturalized citizen. You do get priority, though.

Those who have the ability to contribute to society and are willing to follow the law are put through a lengthy process. Those who come here illegally are getting special treatment. It's no secret most live on government subsidy. So they come here illegally, live off our government, and are now the "reform" is to grant them temporary legal status?

We're soft to the point of stupidity on immigration. Don't think that fact is lost on those who want to flee Mexico.


My point, though, is of course Mexico welcomes it. Guess where a shitload of the money they make is going to go? Hint: not back into our economy.
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He has married an American. You still have to apply to become a naturalized citizen. You do get priority, though.
Tell him to wait the three years.
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I think Rubio's plan is the most realistic out of all that has been proposed. Something needs to be done, and his proposal is the best that I have heard so far.
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If they become US citizens there's no problem with voting. The question is how that citizenship is obtained. Do we hold them to the same standard as other immigrants, like my mother? Or do we wave a magic wand and expedite the process because they're from Mexico and a rich source of votes.

I'm not playing to either side here. The transparency of this whole this is pretty apparent, though.
They get to cut the line, while all the law-abiding people have to wait over in Europe, South America or Asia. Most people have to wait in 2 lines, one line to actually legally get here and one line to get your citizenship. Illegals get to cut the first line.

Also, GOP are retarded if they think any amount of pandering will get them votes. Reagan lost hispanic votes after his amnesty. Idiocracy is coming, I will change my name to Beef Supreme
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They get to cut the line, while all the law-abiding people have to wait over in Europe, South America or Asia. Most people have to wait in 2 lines, one line to actually legally get here and one line to get your citizenship. Illegals get to cut the first line.

Also, GOP are retarded if they think any amount of pandering will get them votes. Reagan lost hispanic votes after his amnesty. Idiocracy is coming, I will change my name to Beef Supreme
Lets not forget, spend a fortune on lawyers to jump through all the legal hoops....much cheaper to fly to Mehico, jump a fence, and save 50K.
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What do you guys find wrong with his plan?

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What do you guys find wrong with his plan?

At work can't watch, what's the gist of it?
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This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.
If you looked at the fundamental structure of Social Security and Medicaid, you'd realize how wrong that is. And if Social Security disability keeps rising as fast as it is for another 2-3 years, there will soon exist enough bipartisan support to either curb benefits or restrict disability status.

Sorry, but you guys are dead wrong. The immigration reform push will strengthen our economy. The "crappy" stuff such as "amnesty" for the illegals currently here will also pave the way for the good stuff such as uncapped H-1Bs and a more efficient and streamlined immigration process.

The only real losers are going to be white males without high school diplomas. And **** those guys. If they couldn't succeed now they were never gonna succeed.
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That would make my life easier.
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If you looked at the fundamental structure of Social Security and Medicaid, you'd realize how wrong that is. And if Social Security disability keeps rising as fast as it is for another 2-3 years, there will soon exist enough bipartisan support to either curb benefits or restrict disability status.

Sorry, but you guys are dead wrong. The immigration reform push will strengthen our economy. The "crappy" stuff such as "amnesty" for the illegals currently here will also pave the way for the good stuff such as uncapped H-1Bs and a more efficient and streamlined immigration process.
Why are you bringing me into this post? I would bet over 90% of the amnestied illegals will reliably vote democrat. Again, Reagan tried this and the GOP lost hispanic votes in the next election.

I'm saying this is importing guaranteed voters, I didn't talk about entitlements Chase did.
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Why are you bringing me into this post? I would bet over 90% of the amnestied illegals will reliably vote democrat. Again, Reagan tried this and the GOP lost hispanic votes in the next election.

I'm saying this is importing guaranteed voters, I didn't talk about entitlements Chase did.
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Uh huh.

And Reagan didn't do the amnesty to win Hispanic voters. He did it because he believed in the American Dream. Hispanic voters made up less than 2% of the electorate when Reagan was in office.
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Uh huh.

And Reagan didn't do the amnesty to win Hispanic voters. He did it because he believed in the American Dream. Hispanic voters made up less than 2% of the electorate when Reagan was in office.
Ok and I still said nothing about the budget and entitlements. Are you going to sit here and try to say that all 11 million illegals will be 100% self-sustaining and in no need of government assistance? False
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Ok and I still said nothing about the budget and entitlements. Are you going to sit here and try to say that all 11 million illegals will be 100% self-sustaining and in no need of government assistance? False
How exactly do you define "recipient class" other than a person who receives a benefit from an entitlement program? It's a conservative dog whistle for "welfare leeches". The fact that you focused on these illegal immigrants as mooches instead of a massive source of potential human capital is telling.

Besides, we don't know what the final bill is going to look like (if we even get comprehensive immigration reform, which is still far from certainty) and who gets what. What if, for example, we let the illegal immigrants gain a form of legal permanent residency but with no pathway to citizenship and curbed their access to Medicare and Medicaid?
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