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Old 01-30-2013, 05:06 PM   #41
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How exactly do you define "recipient class" other than a person who receives a benefit from an entitlement program? It's a conservative dog whistle for "welfare leeches". The fact that you focused on these illegal immigrants as mooches instead of a massive source of potential human capital is telling.

Besides, we don't know what the final bill is going to look like (if we even get comprehensive immigration reform, which is still far from certainty) and who gets what. What if, for example, we let the illegal immigrants gain a form of legal permanent residency but with no pathway to citizenship and curbed their access to Medicare and Medicaid?
I'm fairly certain there are no professional illegal aliens working in the shadows of corporate USA. The people coming over are either (non english speaking) unemployed gang bangers, (non english speaking) unemployed mothers or (non english speaking) laborers. Most of them will qualify for at least a few government programs. Once they qualify for a program they will continue to vote for the party that promises continued programs.

Do you really think Obama is so hard for this because he cares about illegal immigrants? Do you think he'd be pushing for this at all if all of these Catholic illegals from the southern border voted social conservative? Gimme a break
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This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.
What makes you so sure? I know many Mexicans and they are, for the most part, quite conservative in their values and lifestyle.
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What makes you so sure? I know many Mexicans and they are, for the most part, quite conservative in their values and lifestyle.
Many? Most. Most Mexicans are extremely conservative, far more than the Average american. They are very religious, anti-gay, anti abortion, etc. This isn't even Mexicans...this applies to most Latinos. Hell, most of my kitchen guys (not only mexican but all latino) have a virgin mary sticker in their lockers, as well as on the kitchen pass.
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What makes you so sure? I know many Mexicans and they are, for the most part, quite conservative in their values and lifestyle.
1984 Reagan v. Mondale: Reagan pushing Amnesty, Mondale went to the southern border and spoke out against illegal immigration

Reagan received 47% of the Latino vote in 1984, while Mondale received 53%

1988 Bush v. Dukakis:

Bush won 30.85% of the Hispanic nationwide vote, and Dukakis received 70.15% of the nationwide vote

1992 Bush v. Clinton (v. Perot):

Bill Clinton received 61% of the Latino vote, while Bush received 25% and Perot received 6%

1996 Clinton v. Dole: Dole the textbook moderate Republican

Bill Clinton winning 71% of the Hispanic votes. On the other hand, the Republican Senator Bob Dole received only 21%, while ten percent of the vote went to third-party candidates.

2000 GDubya v. Gore: GW Governor of Texas, always reaching out to hispanics, proponent of comprehensive immigration reform

approximately 67% - cast their votes for Gore. Thirty-one percent of Hispanics voted for Bush.

2004 Bush v. Kerry:

44% Bush 53% Kerry

2008 McCain v. Obama: Extremely pro-Hispanic republican

31% to 67%

2012 Obama v. Romney: Moderate republican

75% to 25%


Conclusion: Hispanic vote isn't going GOP anytime soon no matter who they put up there and what they stand for.
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Conclusion: Hispanic vote isn't going GOP anytime soon no matter who they put up there and what they stand for.
The GOP only has themselves to blame for being too nearsighted for their own good.
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What are you talking about? Reagan gave them amnesty while Mondale spoke out against illegal immigration, GW and McCain were completely pro-Hispanic. They haven't won the Hispanic vote in decades.

The Hispanic culture may be very socially conservative, but they don't vote that way.
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Reagan was... how long ago? Let's face it. The GOP isn't exactly chummy with durn forners.
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Reagan was... how long ago? Let's face it. The GOP isn't exactly chummy with durn forners.
No, and when they were they still didn't get the votes. That was the point I was making. As long as the democrat party has the narrative of 'free stuff' they will get the votes of the poor.

Illegal aliens that become citizens are poor people. If they had money they wouldn't be illegal aliens.
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I'm speaking for myself and other Hispanics that can be in my same scenario. My parents came to my country to have a better life for us, I was 12 when I first set foot on American soil (illegally) now I'm 21 graduated from high school with honors and trying to get into collage. I'm trying to get my immigration status straighten up with this kind of dream act work reform, so I can work legally, pay taxes (I been doing them anyway since I was 18,) go to collage and achieve that American Dream my parents brought me to achieve. Not every Hispanic leaches from the government, my family never been helped by food stamps of any kind of help from the government. What I'm trying to say its; I want to be an American citizen with rights like any of y'all.
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I'm speaking for myself and other Hispanics that can be in my same scenario. My parents came to my country to have a better life for us, I was 12 when I first set foot on American soil (illegally) now I'm 21 graduated from high school with honors and trying to get into collage. I'm trying to get my immigration status straighten up with this kind of dream act work reform, so I can work legally, pay taxes (I been doing them anyway since I was 18,) go to collage and achieve that American Dream my parents brought me to achieve. Not every Hispanic leaches from the government, my family never been helped by food stamps of any kind of help from the government. What I'm trying to say its; I want to be an American citizen with rights like any of y'all.
Do you think that since you were able to skirt the system you should be allowed to get citizenship over people living abroad that have to wait?
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No, and when they were they still didn't get the votes. That was the point I was making. As long as the democrat party has the narrative of 'free stuff' they will get the votes of the poor.
Enough of the 'free stuff' sour grapes argument. We both know it's garbage.

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Illegal aliens that become citizens are poor people. If they had money they wouldn't be illegal aliens.
So let's just pretend they don't exist and fly drones over the border. Problem solved? And you wonder why that mentality doesn't win friends.
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Enough of the 'free stuff' sour grapes argument. We both know it's garbage.



So let's just pretend they don't exist and fly drones over the border. Problem solved? And you wonder why that mentality doesn't win friends.
I said the free stuff narrative, it is what poor people think regardless of the truth. The narrative is democrats want to give, republicans want to take.

Why should we reward people who intentionally break our law? Now all of a sudden we care about the kids right? We can't possibly break up families. What about the kids of drug users, thugs, robbers or any of the other millions of people who are in jail...why don't we cry about what happens to their kids?

Even funnier, lots of these southern border illegal immigrants fly the flag of Mexico, send money back to Mexico and love love love Mexico. Oddly enough, Mexico has ridiculously strong borders to the south. They will literally kill you if you try to come illegally. Plus, their treatment of foreigners living on their soil leaves much to be desired.

We're supposed to give a crap what THAT country thinks? EFFFF YOUUUU
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I'm speaking for myself and other Hispanics that can be in my same scenario. My parents came to my country to have a better life for us, I was 12 when I first set foot on American soil (illegally) now I'm 21 graduated from high school with honors and trying to get into collage. I'm trying to get my immigration status straighten up with this kind of dream act work reform, so I can work legally, pay taxes (I been doing them anyway since I was 18,) go to collage and achieve that American Dream my parents brought me to achieve. Not every Hispanic leaches from the government, my family never been helped by food stamps of any kind of help from the government. What I'm trying to say its; I want to be an American citizen with rights like any of y'all.


Glad you made it. It's a great country (with a few assh0les sprinkled in). I hope you get your status straight and achieve great things.
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I'm speaking for myself and other Hispanics that can be in my same scenario. My parents came to my country to have a better life for us, I was 12 when I first set foot on American soil (illegally) now I'm 21 graduated from high school with honors and trying to get into collage. I'm trying to get my immigration status straighten up with this kind of dream act work reform, so I can work legally, pay taxes (I been doing them anyway since I was 18,) go to collage and achieve that American Dream my parents brought me to achieve. Not every Hispanic leaches from the government, my family never been helped by food stamps of any kind of help from the government. What I'm trying to say its; I want to be an American citizen with rights like any of y'all.
I can appreciate that, but my family came here legally, spent a FORTUNE on lawyers, waited in line, etc etc etc. You were a child, so you weren't at fault, but now that you are an adult, hoping to "cut the line" isn't going to get sympathy from people like me unfortunately. I do respect your work ethic, and don't think you are a leech (Americans do a fine job of leeching on their own) but as far as status goes, IMHO, get on line, and wait/pay like everyone else.
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I can appreciate that, but my family came here legally, spent a FORTUNE on lawyers, waited in line, etc etc etc. You were a child, so you weren't at fault, but now that you are an adult, hoping to "cut the line" isn't going to get sympathy from people like me unfortunately. I do respect your work ethic, and don't think you are a leech (Americans do a fine job of leeching on their own) but as far as status goes, IMHO, get on line, and wait/pay like everyone else.
No one wants sympathy from you.
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No one wants sympathy from you.
Figured you'd be the one to say that...but unfortunately for you, my vote still counts. Keep on trollin' shortbus.
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Figured you'd be the one to say that...but unfortunately for you, my vote still counts. Keep on trollin' shortbus.
Great! Keep it...just quit wasting it on throw away candidates.
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I can appreciate that, but my family came here legally, spent a FORTUNE on lawyers, waited in line, etc etc etc. You were a child, so you weren't at fault, but now that you are an adult, hoping to "cut the line" isn't going to get sympathy from people like me unfortunately. I do respect your work ethic, and don't think you are a leech (Americans do a fine job of leeching on their own) but as far as status goes, IMHO, get on line, and wait/pay like everyone else.
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Figured you'd be the one to say that...but unfortunately for you, my vote still counts. Keep on trollin' shortbus.
Jeb Bush on immigration: There is no line.

Current US immigration laws favor family reunification at the expense of everyone else. For any would be foreign migrant wishing to gain entry in the United States, if they don't have immediate family in the US with permanent residency, don't have any special skills (a master's degree in STEM), don't have any employers willing to sponsor an expensive H-1B visa for them, or don't have at least 1 million dollars in investable assets, there is no legal process for them to immigrate to the United States legally unless they win the green card lottery, which has a 1 in 200 chance every year.

Edit: By the way, the legal Latino population is growing at a much faster rate than white people. So your vote isn't going to count for very long unless people like you can accept that we need to have a more lenient and compassionate immigration policy.
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I'm speaking for myself and other Hispanics that can be in my same scenario. My parents came to my country to have a better life for us, I was 12 when I first set foot on American soil (illegally) now I'm 21 graduated from high school with honors and trying to get into collage. I'm trying to get my immigration status straighten up with this kind of dream act work reform, so I can work legally, pay taxes (I been doing them anyway since I was 18,) go to collage and achieve that American Dream my parents brought me to achieve. Not every Hispanic leaches from the government, my family never been helped by food stamps of any kind of help from the government. What I'm trying to say its; I want to be an American citizen with rights like any of y'all.
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