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Old 02-01-2013, 11:58 AM   #101
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Not really true either. Our prison system is terrible. It costs a fortune to run, it is a terrible rehabilitator, and it is basically a revolving door. When you have a prison system like the US, you basically have a taxpayer funded criminal hardening machine.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:59 AM   #102
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Pretty much the lowest gun murder rate of all major cities.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm6018.pdf
Rate, yes but the total is top 3. That was what I was referring to. Regardless of rates, it is top 3 most gun homicides in the country...significant.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:11 PM   #103
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Not really true either. Our prison system is terrible. It costs a fortune to run, it is a terrible rehabilitator, and it is basically a revolving door. When you have a prison system like the US, you basically have a taxpayer funded criminal hardening machine.
That's is what the prison industrial complex is.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:11 PM   #104
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Rate, yes but the total is top 3. That was what I was referring to. Regardless of rates, it is top 3 most gun homicides in the country...significant.
When it comes to crime statistics the rate is more telling of a problem than the total number. A total number means nothing without context.
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Rate, yes but the total is top 3. That was what I was referring to. Regardless of rates, it is top 3 most gun homicides in the country...significant.
New York City has the LESS gun homicides within the city limits(where these laws are in place) than LA which is less than half it's population.

New York City has the LESS gun homicides within the city limits(where these laws are in place) than Chicago which is roughly a quarter it's population.

New York has the 2nd lowest homicide rate of any Major US city. This is VERY significant.

Why with double and quadruple the people, does NYC have less murder? The policies and tactics they implemented.
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When it comes to crime statistics the rate is more telling of a problem than the total number. A total number means nothing without context.
Not when it doesn't support his argument.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:23 PM   #107
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Not when it doesn't support his argument.
Well then we can make it word problem?

There were 684 gun murders in NYC in 2007 with a population of 8.2 million. There were 414 in Baltimore with a population of 620K. Which city were you more likely to be shot in that year?
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Well then we can make it word problem?

There were 684 gun murders in NYC in 2007 with a population of 8.2 million. There were 414 in Baltimore with a population of 620K. Which city were you more likely to be shot in that year?
Not referring to you, but to aog.
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:32 PM   #109
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I'm not denying it at all. A large majority of the gun crime in my city happens in a predominantly black, poor, uneducated area. Same thing with Chicago. Both cities have completely opposite approaches to gun control laws with similar outcomes.
Then we should ban poor black people too
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In 1990, NYPD began an aggressive campaign of "stop and frisk". (Terry Stops) This coupled with their 1 year mandatory minimum for carrying a loaded firearm without a permit lead to an insane drop in gun murders and gun related crime. With these two tactics combined, criminals were fearful of carrying their guns with them. This lead to altercations with fists and knives instead of guns. Murder rate went down and had direct impact on the numbers of crimes in NYC.

Yes, crime dropped after the 80's across the nation, but by no means at the rate the city did.

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What the NYPD has been doing is NOT a Terry Stop.
In fact, their practices are is COMPLETE conflict of it

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At first, probably yes. But in my opinion, one of the few examples of Deterrence truly working.

JJ will argue that gun laws keep guns out of the right people hands. The way NYC implement their laws kept the guns out of everyone's hands.
And if we cut everyone's hands off, gun crime would probably drop to 0%

Violating people rights and police breaking the law to reduce crime is not a solution
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Well then we can make it word problem?

There were 684 gun murders in NYC in 2007 with a population of 8.2 million. There were 414 in Baltimore with a population of 620K. Which city were you more likely to be shot in that year?
I understand what rate means, I also understand that a city with some of the strictest draconian gun laws has top 3 most homicides.

True story, aka "There's still a sh!t ton of murders going on even with ridiculous laws on the books"
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And if we cut everyone's hands off, gun crime would probably drop to 0%

Violating people rights and police breaking the law to reduce crime is not a solution
If we can save just one life, it's worth it.


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Well then we can make it word problem?

There were 684 gun murders in NYC in 2007 with a population of 8.2 million. There were 414 in Baltimore with a population of 620K. Which city were you more likely to be shot in that year?
Baltimore.


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And for JJ, you claim that no gun control works. For the most part, you are correct. This is a clear example of less death because of actions taken to limit guns in the streets, though. Can't argue with you guns nuts so I'm finished.
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A hat.

And for JJ, you claim that no gun control works. For the most part, you are correct. This is a clear example of less death because of actions taken to limit guns in the streets, though. Can't argue with you guns nuts so I'm finished.

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