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Old 02-01-2013, 12:06 PM   #81
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Unless you're not from America... I don't get how people still don't understand the basic principles of tipping your server.
Many countries it isn't considered normal. They do get paid a full wage, so they do not expect tips. However, I agree with you that the playing dumb isn't fooling anyone. Everyone knows that in the US, you tip.
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Tips are bullshit, the employer should pay the waitresses a normal wage and tips should only be given for EXCEPTIONAL service.
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Many countries it isn't considered normal. They do get paid a full wage, so they do not expect tips. However, I agree with you that the playing dumb isn't fooling anyone. Everyone knows that in the US, you tip.
Which is why I said unless you're not from America. I believe the Japanese even find it offensive to be given a tip. Some countries require some sort of schooling to be a waiter.

I was down in Argentina with my family and after dinner I wanted to leave a tip and my cousin thought I was crazy.
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Which is why I said unless you're not from America. I believe the Japanese even find it offensive to be given a tip. Some countries require some sort of schooling to be a waiter.

I was down in Argentina with my family and after dinner I wanted to leave a tip and my cousin thought I was crazy.
I sometimes tipped in Colombia and they always gave me a confused look. They would count it in their hands, look up at you, look back down at the money, then slowly reach out to give you the extra money back, all the while still looking confused.
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ITT: People that buy 10 year old BMW's that believe they shouldn't tip because the server should get a better job. Well maybe you should cook for yourself instead of being lazy and expected to be waited on for free.
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It's funny how many people want to enjoy the experience of dining out and do not want to pay for it. I agree tipping has it's variables of percentages that should be left depending on level of service provided, but those who feel that it should only be left on extraordinary circumstances I can't help but chuckle at. As many have said we could always incorporate what many other countries have and raise wages to compensate tips, but then I'm sure many would complain about price spikings. Also, those who haven't dined out of the country tell me the level of service that is provided when you do.

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The bottom line is the one making assumptions of the person serving them is ignorant. One co-bartender of mine is ex-marine that helped protect the president. Another has two businesses but does it for the spending money, everything he owns is paid for. I'm in school waning to be a lawyer, and I do it for the spending money and work experience. I'd wager in 10 years, us sorry bartenders will surpass anyone on here that thinks their job is too good to tip people.

Also, bartender next door to me in retired VP of Chilies' and O'Charlie's. Just bored and knows the bar owner.
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Lest we also forget, that "service" is a unique phenomenon in the US. No other country in the world comes remotely close to the level of service one gets in the US.
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"Tipping" is a gigantic BS plot of the restaurant industry to pay their workers as little as possible while keeping posted prices down, yet still following minimum wage labor laws. It's all a bunch of bullshit, but it's a necessary thing. We'd pay a hell of a lot more for food if tipping wasn't a thing to do.
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Who would you rather have the money, the restaurant owner, or the girl in school working her way through?
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You realize this would further increase the price of your meal, right?
Of course I do. But the price would be fixed and I wouldn't have to worry about how much should I leave. This would eliminate situations where the waitresses complain about not getting enough tips and patrons complaining about giving too much tips
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Of course I do. But the price would be fixed and I wouldn't have to worry about how much should I leave. This would eliminate situations where the waitresses complain about not getting enough tips and patrons complaining about giving too much tips
If we had this in the US, you would recieve the European standard of service.....which is sh!t.
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Of course I do. But the price would be fixed and I wouldn't have to worry about how much should I leave. This would eliminate situations where the waitresses complain about not getting enough tips and patrons complaining about giving too much tips
Tips can motivate service industry folk to provide above average service. If that motivation (tip money) is removed from the equation I believe service would go down the tubes. Personally, I'm more than happy to tip people who do a decent job. As long as my drink remains filled and they bring me whatever extra I typically ask for (extra sauce, or whatever) in a quick manor they'll get at least 15%.

Having worked in the service industry for quite a while in the past the instances of people bitching about not getting tipped enough, or feeling entitled to a tip is not as pervasive as some people portray, at least in my experience. Most people in that industry understand that you have to work for tips.
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The tipping system in the US turns the server into a quasi-independent contractor, dependent on the customer to provide direct payment for his or her service. That's why the employer can skirt minimum wage laws. If the employer wanted to turn employees into full-wage earners, he could simply build that cost into the price of the food, and let customers know that tipping is not required. That's not how it's done in the US in any sit-down restaurant that I know of, but there's no reason it couldn't be done that way.

On the other hand, the tipping system creates an incentive for servers to hustle--knowing that if they provide better service they'll (on average) get better tips and make far more than they probably would under a regular hourly wage. I would imagine that servers being paid a full hourly wage might not have as much motivation to provide superior service.
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If we had this in the US, you would recieve the European standard of service.....which is sh!t.
I'm European, so I guess I'm more used to people being real versus having fake smiles
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I'm not interested in someone being real when that person is bringing me food. I want someone with a good customer-service attitude--fake smile included.
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