I give God 10%, why should I give you 18%?

Originally Posted by VaderDave

The tipping system in the US turns the server into a quasi-independent contractor, dependent on the customer to provide direct payment for his or her service. That's why the employer can skirt minimum wage laws. If the employer wanted to turn employees into full-wage earners, he could simply build that cost into the price of the food, and let customers know that tipping is not required. That's not how it's done in the US in any sit-down restaurant that I know of, but there's no reason it couldn't be done that way.

On the other hand, the tipping system creates an incentive for servers to hustle--knowing that if they provide better service they'll (on average) get better tips and make far more than they probably would under a regular hourly wage. I would imagine that servers being paid a full hourly wage might not have as much motivation to provide superior service.

People wouldn't eat out any more if waiters got paid a standard hourly wage only. Because waiters wouldn't give a ****. Not because they're lazy, but because when dealing with people's food, it can be a pain in the ass. You wouldn't believe how people treat the servers.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Double the tax, it isn't rocket surgery.

Originally Posted by eee4666

Servers hate double the tax tippers.

because alcohol isn't taxed on the bill because it's tax is already paid. so if you run a $200 bar tab and a $100 food tab your bill is $300 and your tax is only 8% of the $100 food tab.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

People wouldn't eat out any more if waiters got paid a standard hourly wage only. Because waiters wouldn't give a ****. Not because they're lazy, but because when dealing with people's food, it can be a pain in the ass. You wouldn't believe how people treat the servers.

Oh, I see it almost every time I go out. I go out of my way to be courteous to servers, because it seems like half the people in any restaurant seem to think that they're subhuman or something.

Originally Posted by VaderDave

Oh, I see it almost every time I go out. I go out of my way to be courteous to servers, because it seems like half the people in any restaurant seem to think that they're subhuman or something.

Ugh.....drives me nuts how some people treat wait staff/service industry people.

Im super nice to all my servers. I don't want my stuff spit/jizzed in and/or my steak used as a hockey puck!!

Originally Posted by eee4666

Servers hate double the tax tippers.

Better than no tip

Originally Posted by VaderDave

Oh, I see it almost every time I go out. I go out of my way to be courteous to servers, because it seems like half the people in any restaurant seem to think that they're subhuman or something.

Exactly, it astounds me how people treat servers. Luckily I have the ability to kick out my customers if they're too big of an asshole. I can always recognize people that are humble and courteous. Those type people I strive to give them better service for being nice.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Double the tax, it isn't rocket surgery.

Never heard of paying double tax. That's a method for at lot of ppl? I move the decimal to the left to get 10%, then double that to get the tip. Yeah, I'm basically a mathematician.

Originally Posted by ghorn

Never heard of paying double tax. That's a method for at lot of ppl? I move the decimal to the left to get 10%, then double that to get the tip. Yeah, I'm basically a mathematician.

My grandmother taught me, she was an accountant. It was 18% in my town if you did that. I usually tip ~30%, but I'd be happy with double the tax of 9.25% where I'm at now. Your idea may be better though.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

Better than no tip

Totally agree, but when big groups and booze are involved it can screw the server over. I think people genuinely mean to tip well when they do it, they just don't know they're possibly shorting the server with the method.

Originally Posted by ghorn

Never heard of paying double tax. That's a method for at lot of ppl? I move the decimal to the left to get 10%, then double that to get the tip. Yeah, I'm basically a mathematician.

There are a lot of people who tip by doubling the tax because of how simple it sounds, but I personally use your same decimal method which is just as easy and tips the proper dollar amount (when deserved).

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Lest we also forget, that "service" is a unique phenomenon in the US. No other country in the world comes remotely close to the level of service one gets in the US.

You've clearly never been to Japan. They KILL it with service there.

Disgusting. She should be both embarrassed and ashamed of herself as both a human and someone who associates herself with any religion.

This is my life, except he did it to an $18 order earlier, too

Originally Posted by ghorn

Never heard of paying double tax. That's a method for at lot of ppl? I move the decimal to the left to get 10%, then double that to get the tip. Yeah, I'm basically a mathematician.

I think that's how the majority of people do it.

All I gotta say is I feel bad for those who "choose" to work in food service. If I waited tables I'd make it 5 minutes tops before 'accidentally' dropping a plate of food on some dbags wife.

Originally Posted by Xcelratr

You've clearly never been to Japan. They KILL it with service there.

Disagree. Their service style is EXTREMELY unpleasant to me. It's awkward and weird.

Originally Posted by BimmerIsMyName

Page has been removed. HAHA!

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

People wouldn't eat out any more if waiters got paid a standard hourly wage only. Because waiters wouldn't give a ****. Not because they're lazy, but because when dealing with people's food, it can be a pain in the ass. You wouldn't believe how people treat the servers.

A comment from that web page...

White Girl

servers do not want to work on sundays, know why? b/c of black people who dress up in their suits and hats and bright colors and come from church and eat lunch. they run their servers to death - trying to get anything free that they can --- and then they leave a pitiful pitiful tip. especially if their server is white.

this isnt news to anyone - everyone knows this. but you took it to a whole new level. and I bet you thought you were being soooooooo funny. I bet all of the guests at your table just laughed and laughed - really loud. obnoxiously loud.

you stated on your website that you have a heart for the homeless - for the single mothers - for the poor ----

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????

your heart is EVIL and prideful and you are arrogant.

I hope you are so ashamed.

but you do not have the capacity to feel ashamed.

CALL APPLEBEES AND HELP GET THIS WOMANS JOB BACK.

you got caught.

and you threw a fit.

wow. just wow.

do something about this. I really hope people will not let you get away with this.

Originally Posted by CollinsE90

This is my life, except he did it to an $18 order earlier, too

I'm calling your merchant service and getting them to install a red button on the side of the cc terminal. When you get a receipt back that looks likes that, hit the red button and it will automatically add the cc info to 100,000 people's bangbros accounts.

Don't use it indiscriminately. With great power comes great responsibility.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Disagree. Their service style is EXTREMELY unpleasant to me. It's awkward and weird.

I didn't find it to be that way at all. But I worked there for several months, so maybe I got atuned to it.

Speaking in very general terms, I found it lacks the warmth that good service people in the US (sometimes pretend to) have. But thats as much a cultural difference as anything.

They absolutely put the US to shame in the discipline of service, and pride in workmanship at the most mundane levels. The teenagers behind the counter at 7-11 unfailingly greet you as you walk in the door. When I clumsily asked with English and hand gestures how old a food item was, the kid working there looked at the dates on EVERY SINGLE package in the refrigerated section to find me the newest one (or the oldest, maybe we miscommunicated, I'll never know ).

The 20-something girl at the candy counter in the dept store eagerly gift wrapped the 25 boxes of candy I bought and the wrapping was PERFECT on every one.

When we joined the staff of a bank branch opening one morning, we stood in the lobby with all the senior managers of the branch, welcoming in the clients that were waiting outside, greeting each one individually and directing them where to go if they didnt know (5-story, 125+ staff branch).

The non-English speaking barber spent several minutes patiently using hand gestures and sound effects to ensure he understood how I wanted my hair cut before starting. And then did an amazing job.

The little old lady waiting on my table walked out to the front of the restaurant with me so I could point to the rice bowl in the display case to show her what I wanted to order because the menu didnt have it pictured.

What Japanese service lacks in warmth (which is often faked in the US anyway), it makes up for with consistency, eagerness and pride in delivery.

$0.02

Originally Posted by Xcelratr

I'm calling your merchant service and getting them to install a red button on the side of the cc terminal. When you get a receipt back that looks likes that, hit the red button and it will automatically add the cc info to 100,000 people's bangbros accounts.

Don't use it indiscriminately. With great power comes great responsibility.



I didn't find it to be that way at all. But I worked there for several months, so maybe I got atuned to it.

Speaking in very general terms, I found it lacks the warmth that good service people in the US (sometimes pretend to) have. But thats as much a cultural difference as anything.

They absolutely put the US to shame in the discipline of service, and pride in workmanship at the most mundane levels. The teenagers behind the counter at 7-11 unfailingly greet you as you walk in the door. When I clumsily asked with English and hand gestures how old a food item was, the kid working there looked at the dates on EVERY SINGLE package in the refrigerated section to find me the newest one (or the oldest, maybe we miscommunicated, I'll never know ).

The 20-something girl at the candy counter in the dept store eagerly gift wrapped the 25 boxes of candy I bought and the wrapping was PERFECT on every one.

When we joined the staff of a bank branch opening one morning, we stood in the lobby with all the senior managers of the branch, welcoming in the clients that were waiting outside, greeting each one individually and directing them where to go if they didnt know (5-story, 125+ staff branch).

The non-English speaking barber spent several minutes patiently using hand gestures and sound effects to ensure he understood how I wanted my hair cut before starting. And then did an amazing job.

The little old lady waiting on my table walked out to the front of the restaurant with me so I could point to the rice bowl in the display case to show her what I wanted to order because the menu didnt have it pictured.

What Japanese service lacks in warmth (which is often faked in the US anyway), it makes up for with consistency, eagerness and pride in delivery.

$0.02

Agree with this. Their service is technically impeccable. However, I prefer the warm/fun with a few technical errors than flawless but cold. When I go to extremely fancy places where there are 7 people serving your table and fixing/checking non stop it gets a little intrusive. I much prefer a cute girl being attentive and warm or some dude being funny....I do want the basics to be there. Order taken correctly, timely back checks, looking at my glass from across the room so I don't need to ask for refills/another round, etc.

Originally Posted by Xcelratr

I'm calling your merchant service and getting them to install a red button on the side of the cc terminal. When you get a receipt back that looks likes that, hit the red button and it will automatically add the cc info to 100,000 people's bangbros accounts.

Don't use it indiscriminately. With great power comes great responsibility.



I didn't find it to be that way at all. But I worked there for several months, so maybe I got atuned to it.

Speaking in very general terms, I found it lacks the warmth that good service people in the US (sometimes pretend to) have. But thats as much a cultural difference as anything.

They absolutely put the US to shame in the discipline of service, and pride in workmanship at the most mundane levels. The teenagers behind the counter at 7-11 unfailingly greet you as you walk in the door. When I clumsily asked with English and hand gestures how old a food item was, the kid working there looked at the dates on EVERY SINGLE package in the refrigerated section to find me the newest one (or the oldest, maybe we miscommunicated, I'll never know ).

The 20-something girl at the candy counter in the dept store eagerly gift wrapped the 25 boxes of candy I bought and the wrapping was PERFECT on every one.

When we joined the staff of a bank branch opening one morning, we stood in the lobby with all the senior managers of the branch, welcoming in the clients that were waiting outside, greeting each one individually and directing them where to go if they didnt know (5-story, 125+ staff branch).

The non-English speaking barber spent several minutes patiently using hand gestures and sound effects to ensure he understood how I wanted my hair cut before starting. And then did an amazing job.

The little old lady waiting on my table walked out to the front of the restaurant with me so I could point to the rice bowl in the display case to show her what I wanted to order because the menu didnt have it pictured.

What Japanese service lacks in warmth (which is often faked in the US anyway), it makes up for with consistency, eagerness and pride in delivery.

$0.02

What's worse is he kept asking for me to make the drinks stronger