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Old 01-28-2013, 11:44 PM   #1
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Firearms do kill more people than hammers/knives combined

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...e-data-table-8

From, 2007-2011, firearms accounted for roughly 67% of all homicides. More than all other weapons combined. That includes blunt objects (bats, hammers, etc.), fists, feet, explosives, etc. etc.

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Old 01-29-2013, 12:01 AM   #2
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That is true.

It's also true that knives account for 5 times the number of homicides as rifles...

So why are we going after ARs and ignoring handguns?

FWIW, Chicago had more handgun murders than blunt objects murders nationwide.. and they have some of the strictest gun control in the nation. So what's the real goal here?
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:16 AM   #3
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I guess you can't go after handguns as easily since Heller so all they have is rifles to make themselves feel righteous.
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From, 2007-2011, firearms accounted for roughly 67% of all homicides. More than all other weapons combined. That includes blunt objects (bats, hammers, etc.), fists, feet, explosives, etc. etc.

Figured NFRS2k, Chase, AOO, and Jj would appreciate these FBI stats since they are always quoting them.

Oh look at you not comprehending what you are reading.

No one said guns are not the leading cause of murder... We said Rifles, specifically Assault Rifles. But I guess you need to feel validated in your pursuit to be relevant... So, ok, you can have this one.

What was the leading weapon used for murder in your stats? Handgun? What is the number one killer everywhere? Handgun? What legislation is being passed to protect the kids? Assault Rifles?

Looks to me like they are missing the point.
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Cigarettes kill 400,000 a year, go chase that dog
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But they said strawman... I mean... rifles!
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Cigarettes kill 400,000 a year, go chase that dog
We're not discussing suicide.
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Cigarettes kill 400,000 a year, go chase that dog
Cigarettes don't kill people. I saw a pack at the gas station and it didn't jump up and kill anyone.
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Cigarettes don't kill people. I saw a pack at the gas station and it didn't jump up and kill anyone.
but apparently you saw a few guns walking around shooting people.
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Firearms do kill more people than hammers/knives combined
Not sure why this would be at all surprising, isn't the very design and purpose of firearms primarily to do but one thing, kill efficiently and effectively? That they are being successfully used for this purpose ought not to be a shocker.

Sure, other weapons and modalities can also be used to kill and maim, but they are far less effective and efficient in killing and maiming, which is why firearms were invented in the first place. The converse of this is that, with firearms readily available, killing and maiming rates, being so much more effectively accomplished, will be much higher than without.

The stats and empirical data in the U.S. grimly, if obviously, bears this out -- by far the highest levels of gun ownership in an advanced first world society and by far the highest levels of (gun) murder and injury. A wild coincidence? I think not.
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So easily rustled.
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From, 2007-2011, firearms accounted for roughly 67% of all homicides. More than all other weapons combined. That includes blunt objects (bats, hammers, etc.), fists, feet, explosives, etc. etc.

Figured NFRS2k, Chase, AOO, and Jj would appreciate these FBI stats since they are always quoting them.

Cool.

Now compare gun homicides to the following:

Cigarettes
Alcohol
Cars
Medical Malpractice
Abortion
Cancer
Heart Failure
and Old Age

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Cigarettes - shove them down a person's throat... dead
Alcohol - smash the bottle over a person's head... dead
Cars - run a person over... dead
Medical Malpractice - no explination required... dead
Abortion - leave the fetus on the ground and a person trips/slips on it and hit's their head on the corner of a table... dead
Yet people want to place restrictions on guns... like they're any less deadly? ****ing liberals.
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Cool.

Now compare gun homicides to the following:

Cigarettes
Alcohol
Cars
Medical Malpractice
Abortion
Cancer
Heart Failure
and Old Age

I can't tell if you are serious or not and I find that funny.
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Oh look at you not comprehending what you are reading.
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Exactly...


You know how many people assault rifles kill every year?

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Figured NFRS2k, Chase, AOO, and Jj would appreciate these FBI stats since they are always quoting them.

Difference... We understand what we are reading and don't copy paste random words

Boo hoo, 11,000 people die from firearms every year... I bet half of them dying make the world a better place. You think that is 11,000 nuns or doctors or social workers? No, they are criminals and gangs
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Would you consider a semi-automatic carbine an assault rifle?
Why would I? Doesn't matter what I think, the fact is that it's not
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Exactly...


You know how many people assault rifles kill every year?
How many people are killed by tack hammers every year?
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You know how many people assault rifles kill every year?
Would you consider a semi-automatic carbine an assault rifle?


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Boo hoo, 11,000 people die from firearms every year... I bet half of them dying make the world a better place. You think that is 11,000 nuns or doctors or social workers? No, they are criminals and gangs
In other words you've arrived to a conclusion based on no empirical evidence? I just want to be clear.
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In other words you've arrived to a conclusion based on no empirical evidence? I just want to be clear.
You highlighted my word "bet" but still don't know the meaning?

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Conclusion?
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