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Old 02-05-2013, 10:53 AM   #1
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Who Needs to Win to Win?

Can a party rule by capturing most of the country but less than half of the people? We might be about to find out.

http://nymag.com/news/features/republican-party-2013-2/

If you can't beat them, then rig the game so that you can seems to be the developing mantra of the GOP as they look grimly at the demographic future that awaits them.

Unfortunately, rather than doing a deep think and renewing their ideas and subsequent policies for this new world, they, rather, seem to be bunkering in and looking for ways to rig and manipulate politics and elections to still clutch to power, even as a shrinking minority and in contravention of popular will as reflected in raw election numbers.

While American democracy has never been pure majoritarianism - with elements reflecting a deep distrust of the masses in some cases - the trend over our history has been towards a greater trust, input and influence of the "average American," to borrow a term from another thread. The GOP, increasingly failing to appeal to that average American, is retreating to becoming anentrenched elite that will impose their ideologies and policies over the desires, wants and needs of most Americans.

We've already seen indications of this from various thinly-veiled voter suppression efforts to recent state-level attempts to gerrymander the vote to favor GOP minorities. This seems to represent a resignation and tacit admittance that their ideas and policies don't and increasing won't appeal to a majority of Americans and an unwillingness to rethink and retool those ideas and policies.

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Old 02-05-2013, 11:15 AM   #2
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In the immediate aftermath of last November's election, the Republican Party, snapped suddenly out of the self-delusion of imminent victory promulgated by the Karl Roves and Dick Morrises of their party, came face-to-face with grim reality: Most of America hated them. And the Americans who didn't hate them were dying off at a disconcerting pace.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:37 AM   #3
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Oh that's not liberal...

The two political parties will do anything to swing and takes jabs at each other. Hence why I still won't associate with either one.
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lol @ article pretending gerrymandering only occures when republicans are in power. idiots
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No it doesn't, it goes into some length about the history of un-proportional representation that involved all parties. Even so, that others have done it doesn't then make it OK for the GOP to do it now, especially so blatantly and aggressively. Hasn't it been the GOP/TP of late that have railed on so stridently about minority elites having disproportionate political influence? Now they are attempting to legislate their status as a minority political elite. Irony.

In the end, I think these GOP efforts are reactive and desperate, and will only, at best, only forestall an eventual deeper reckoning on their part. The risk is that people will readily recognize these efforts for what they obviously are and only spark a further electoral backlash against the GOP for attempting these manipulations.
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Look up some democrat districts, the way they are drawn is mind boggling. Hell, just google gerrymandering. It is a common and despicable practice for ALL politicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Il...ict_4_2004.png

Gotta keep all the Hispanics together!
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Look up some democrat districts, the way they are drawn is mind boggling. Hell, just google gerrymandering. It is a common and despicable practice for ALL politicians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Il...ict_4_2004.png

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It's not gerrymandering when lines being drawn have no bearing on a Republicans electability. In the most recent election only 1 of 30 Chicago districts elected a Republican. It doesn't matter how you draw the lines.
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It's not gerrymandering when lines being drawn have no bearing on a Republicans electability. In the most recent election only 1 of 30 Chicago districts elected a Republican. It doesn't matter how you draw the lines.
Of course it is still gerrymandering, what are you talking about.
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Of course it is still gerrymandering, what are you talking about.
Perhaps they redrew the lines to favor one Democrat over another, but certainly not over a Republican.
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Perhaps they redrew the lines to favor one Democrat over another, but certainly not over a Republican.
Right, but it is still gerrymandering. That's all I was saying. They may want to keep all the Hispanics grouped to favor a certain candidate or whatever. Unfortunately, identity politics is the game they play these days.
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Right, but it is still gerrymandering. That's all I was saying. They may want to keep all the Hispanics grouped to favor a certain candidate or whatever. Unfortunately, identity politics is the game they play these days.
Go complain about the President not following through with his promise to close Gitmo.
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Go complain about the President not following through with his promise to close Gitmo.
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