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Old 02-05-2013, 12:35 PM   #1
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:06 PM   #2
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You cannot ask those types of questions here. AFR readings are secret.
Why you say that? It's an honest quesyion to help customer diagnoses his car.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:23 PM   #3
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:24 PM   #4
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he asks cause he's been getting bashed by people when he asked the same question.

Yes I saw the thread you made joshzhp that got removed in a few minutes later
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:39 PM   #5
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Why you say that? It's an honest quesyion to help customer diagnoses his car.
I hope you are joking..
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #6
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:19 PM   #7
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The time has come to spill the beans...

Purchased the Stage 2 kit Supercharger kit for Active Autowerke (AA) and install it myself $6000

Complained tune was lean over 6k..12.5-12.7 at 10.5 psi. Was told by Karl (Head programmer) it was fine

Motor lasted a year

I removed the motor and had it rebuilt according to AA specs. $7382

Went to FL for work, stopped by AA... Was told that a Stage 2 on a non-m would hurt the motor if it was driven hard

Purchased Simon, a hand held programmer to speed up tuning time $350

I reinstalled the motor, new clutch and flywheel and the Stage 2 kit with smaller pulley.

Was told by AA...I cannot believe how lean you old tune was.. You motor will not live with that tune.

Dyno tune with AA….car is still running lean above 6k. Dyno operator refused to finish the session.

Was told to purchase new fuel pump, $160

Car is still running lean above 6k

Was told to purchase new injectors $220

Car is still running lean above 6k

After 30 plus tunes loaded to ECU...ECU locks

Shipped off ECU and Simon to AA to unlock

ECU unlocked

Car still running lean

Removed kit and returned to AA

Refund Check issued for $4,125.

I challenge anyone to post a non-m stage 2 dyno sheet with AFRs. AA is selling a product that cannot be tuned.

I know for a fact that TrippinBrimmer, ZeroSum, Jim Murphy and BMW_Knight all have been unable to properly tune their car. No one complains because AA is the only company who will attempt to tune the car.


I am here bashing AA…add the money posted above and the time I spent installing the product, removing the product and building the motor… I have earned this right.

I am sorry I have not spoken up sooner and I can only hope others step forward to shine light this problem. I undestand the problems that occur when modding, this is not my first rodeo nor will it be my last.
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What about a custom tune? I know BMW_Knight was looking to tune his independent of AA
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Sorry to hear that you went through all of this - sometimes this is the price you pay for modding your car but definitely not something you look forward to.

I'd like to hear Active's side of the story as well.
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I have a stage two as well, bought used here, I have only called them once, didn't get a good vibe from them and after reading some threads here decided to do my own tuning, seems I made the right choice... for a company that charges so much you would think they would have a better understanding of these cars.
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That AFR is targeting stoich! lol

Thanks for coming out...vendor needs to step up their tuning game...iirc they had a new tuner at AA?
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Those AFRs are absolute garbage. I would expect so much better from Active.
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why dont you with a custom tune? thats what im about to do.
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Gents,

I don't believe there is anything positive in continuing this thread, other than the amusement of a select few.

It is clear that the MS45 is difficult to tune; not only one vendor has had very public problems. There are a number of people that this has cost a lot of time and money, and we are unlikely to see a new DME tune that solves all the immediate problems easily. Because of this, I think a stand alone ECU is the only 100% solution. This is something I am working on for my FI project...
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I attempted to have the car tuned but no one wanted to touch it because the kit was sold by AA.
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Gents,

I don't believe there is anything positive in continuing this thread, other than the amusement of a select few.

It is clear that the MS45 is difficult to tune; not only one vendor has had very public problems. There are a number of people that this has cost a lot of time and money, and we are unlikely to see a new DME tune that solves all the immediate problems easily. Because of this, I think a stand alone ECU is the only 100% solution. This is something I am working on for my FI project...
I also understand the MS45 is difficult to tune but the kit is being sold and is causing damage to customers not aware of this fact.
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My ESS TS2 system on my MS45 ecu runs perfectly fine.

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