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Old 02-06-2013, 01:38 PM   #21
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My ESS TS2 system on my MS45 ecu runs perfectly fine.

Over 6 years in service.
And what happened to Stu with his TS3?
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:59 PM   #22
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The time has come to spill the beans...

Purchased the Stage 2 kit Supercharger kit for Active Autowerke (AA) and install it myself $6000

Complained tune was lean over 6k..12.5-12.7 at 10.5 psi. Was told by Karl (Head programmer) it was fine

Motor lasted a year

I removed the motor and had it rebuilt according to AA specs. $7382

Went to FL for work, stopped by AA... Was told that a Stage 2 on a non-m would hurt the motor if it was driven hard

Purchased Simon, a hand held programmer to speed up tuning time $350

I reinstalled the motor, new clutch and flywheel and the Stage 2 kit with smaller pulley.

Was told by AA...I cannot believe how lean you old tune was.. You motor will not live with that tune.

Dyno tune with AA….car is still running lean above 6k. Dyno operator refused to finish the session.

Was told to purchase new fuel pump, $160

Car is still running lean above 6k

Was told to purchase new injectors $220

Car is still running lean above 6k

After 30 plus tunes loaded to ECU...ECU locks

Shipped off ECU and Simon to AA to unlock

ECU unlocked

Car still running lean

Removed kit and returned to AA

Refund Check issued for $4,125.

I challenge anyone to post a non-m stage 2 dyno sheet with AFRs. AA is selling a product that cannot be tuned.

I know for a fact that TrippinBrimmer, ZeroSum, Jim Murphy and BMW_Knight all have been unable to properly tune their car. No one complains because AA is the only company who will attempt to tune the car.


I am here bashing AA…add the money posted above and the time I spent installing the product, removing the product and building the motor… I have earned this right.

I am sorry I have not spoken up sooner and I can only hope others step forward to shine light this problem. I undestand the problems that occur when modding, this is not my first rodeo nor will it be my last.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:00 PM   #23
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:38 PM   #24
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Never had these problems with ESS
My point is that the MS45 is more difficult to tune than MS42 and MS43 which cover the majority of E46 non-M cars.

It did take a while for you to get your car tuned after the kit was installed, that is the example I am referencing.

I've got no horse in this race....just re-calling facts.

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Old 02-06-2013, 03:26 PM   #25
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And what happened to Stu with his TS3?
To be fair, the TS3 was actually only released for the MS43. They didn't have MS45 over there in Europe so it was hard to do durability and drive testing.
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Gents,

I don't believe there is anything positive in continuing this thread, other than the amusement of a select few.

It is clear that the MS45 is difficult to tune; not only one vendor has had very public problems. There are a number of people that this has cost a lot of time and money, and we are unlikely to see a new DME tune that solves all the immediate problems easily. Because of this, I think a stand alone ECU is the only 100% solution. This is something I am working on for my FI project...
No, no. The M54 is not difficult to tune. It's difficult to boost SOMETIMES. Look at all the great ESS kits out there. Or HPF kits on the S series. These motors aren't impossible to tune. It seems as if AA has made a bit of a hiccup in their Stage 2 production. They need to make it right, which I'm sure they'll do. I'll have an AA tune in my ZHP by spring, but I don't have a snail, haha.
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Do you think this problem is more common on the 330 and 330 zhp or is it likely to impact all E46 non-ms?

What about us lowly 328 owners
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What about a custom tune? I know BMW_Knight was looking to tune his independent of AA
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Do you think this problem is more common on the 330 and 330 zhp or is it likely to impact all E46 non-ms?

What about us lowly 328 owners
The Issue that Josh has brought up does not apply to MS43 Vehicles. Our Engineering Staff will shed some light on the issues Josh brought up and will have them answered accordingly.
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I like how some people who posted think they are expert in this matter lolz...
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I like how some people who posted think they are expert in this matter lolz...
Some people do it for a living. Lolz.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:56 PM   #32
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I will reply with I know absolutely nothing about engine management systems.
But ESS made a big mistake with my ECU and programmed it to not allow the injectors to open!
This resulted in towing to BMW diagnostics and towing home,ECU return to Norway and the time taken in between! All for an ECU tune that cost $800....
When I install my new tune in one week if it is not perfect I will not be a happy camper!

Although when they get it right, they certainly get it right! The TS2 is something else..

Hope you solve your problem OP but the online tuners arent everything!
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Some people do it for a living. Lolz.
Seems like you got offended so i assume you are an expert on ms45.1!?!
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I too have issues with being lean past 6000 RPMs.

My custom tune did make it better, but I still have a few issues. My tuner use to share a dyno with Active. Frank from http://tuningtechfs.com/

Frank recommended that I replace my 116k mile fuel pump and add Meth to make the mixture a little more rich.

I have not done this yet, so I can't make any claims as to how it works or not.
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I too have issues with being lean past 6000 RPMs.

My custom tune did make it better, but I still have a few issues. My tuner use to share a dyno with Active. Frank from http://tuningtechfs.com/

Frank recommended that I replace my 116k mile fuel pump and add Meth to make the mixture a little more rich.

I have not done this yet, so I can't make any claims as to how it works or not.
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AA has warranteed my motor issues twice now, where I shipped my car down to them and they rebuilt the motor each time. AFAIK, AA is the only FI vendor to offer a two year warranty and this was the very reason that I chose them several years ago.
They told me at the very beginning that they do a general, in the park, tune and it is best to have it custom tuned locally on a dyno. This I have done with Buckhead Import Performance. They are the ones who said that the non M ECU is far more complicated than the M ECU because the M ECU is from Bosch and the non M ECU is from Siemens. With the exception of a MAF voltage overrun CEL which has just cropped up recently the motor is running fine after many months of struggling with the complicated Siemen programming.

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Seems like you got offended so i assume you are an expert on ms45.1!?!
No, I'm not. Thank you for being so helpful on this subject. Apparently a huge name in the tuning game isn't that familiar with it, either. Could you do better?
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I had issues with the tuning on my AA stage 2 kit running MS43 software. After months of troubleshooting and replacing parts I had a custom dyno tune by a top UK tuner at my expense - it was stressful and disappointing at the time, considering I paid 7K for the kit and probably another 2k in parts and time.

I only ran the kit for 10k miles before moving on to something else so can't comment on reliability. AA support were helpful but limited with what they could do - with their tuner Barry sending me revised files for me to flash. In the end I got fed up and took it for a custom tune.
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A lot of what Josh brings up could be valid. we have noticed a couple cars that do tend to lean out at redline running the Level 2 kit on the MS45 ECU, although nothing to the extent that is shown in the PDF attached to the first post.

The dyno data shown here is not indicative of the tuning we have on a Level 2.
Some inconsistency to him saying in his post that the AFR was 12.5-12.7 and then the pdf dyno data saying something different.

There are quite a few details left out of this story though. When Josh says he bought a Simon programmer it wasn't just to rectify the original tuning for the normal kit, but to tune a custom Level 2.5 with smaller pulley (From 85mm to 80mm). One that was never officially offered or or sold in our product line.He understood this 100%, he asked if we could help him do a custom tune. We offered to help him tune the car, resulting in 30 or so tuned files which were sent back and forth at no cost to him.I had our other software engineer here work closely with Josh on this. He did incur additional costs , which he agreed to, for a larger fuel pump and injectors which were recommended by us to address the extra fuel needed for the higher boost level.He understood and not sure why he has used these costs listed here. These decisions were made without ever seeing the car or being able to properly identify other possible issues.He is in San Diego California, we are on Florida.He was fine with that. We were helping him tune this remotely, he was to be our eyes and ears giving us feedback data. Finally, it was discovered that the MAF scaling in the ECU would have to be adjusted, something that is not necessary on the older models featuring MS42 & MS43 ECU's. This may seem like a simple adjustment to most, but without having the car here for closer inspection and to allow first hand datalogging while running on the dyno, you have to shoot from the hip a bit.He again, understood this 100% and worked with us.

This remote tuning project went on from approximately Feb 9th-2012 to approximately May 2nd -2012, 30 + files back and forth with data and days or weeks when nothing was done because of work schedules etc.Josh was fine with this, he did have a problem like he said with the Simon tool locking and locking the ECU, so we had him send them and we had them unlocked and ready to go again.After he received the unlocked ECU and Simon he proceeded to work with us again this time Josh's headgasket let go. We were almost finished, we were that close. The engine had just been rebuilt and had no more than a couple thousand miles on it. While tuning was going on we took many precautions to avoid any sort of engine damage.We were very conservative with ignition timing and fuel, he then told us that he thinks his head gasket started to leak.Not sure what happened, but leak down tests did not show anything wrong, it was a small leak that would only show up under boost it seems. I think it was the "cometic head gasket" being defective. I told Josh I would have used the stock head gasket which is stronger in my opinion. Again doing this over long distance reduces our ability to accurately diagnose and fix anything on the car. The exact cause of failure was never given and being remote, we could not see first hand anything to determine what exactly happened. Afterwards, Josh gave up on the car and decided he wanted to get rid of the kit. He asked if we could help him. We offered to help him sell this kit fully backed by our support to the new owner. The kit was sent in, we replaced/repaired parts that were worn, cleaned everything up and sold it as a complete used kit with new oil, air filter, hoses, clamps and whatever was needed to re-furbish the kit, all inclusive of tuning and technical support.He 100% agreed to the sale price minus the refurbishing costs for parts and some labor, absolutely no profit was made on this used kit with close to 20K miles of use.The amount shown on the check was not a refund price as stated, but the actual sale price of the used/refurbished sc kit minus the incurred costs. This is very important to understand. It was an agreement on both parties to sell the sc kit used for the agreed price.



We had a 2003 330i ZHP in the shop here about 7-8 months ago for the same Level 2 sc tuning. The base tune for which was one of the files sent to Josh. It does not lean out at the top end, drive ability is great, and start up is much
cleaner. For those of you with any issues please contact us and we will try our best to help and assist you.


We have not stated any mis truths here, and cannot understand after all this time what is the purpose and benefit of castigating Active Autowerke. In an imperfect world and several thousand of F.I. systems in existence there will be some escapades now, and in the future. We have always been ethical and fair in all endeavors this is what Active Autowerke was built on.


In regards to Jim Murphy, we did have problems with his car which was originally a Level 1 sc kit but he wanted to add an intercooler for track use. We did have problems, but like Jim said we had his car shipped to us, we sorted out his problems and shipped his car back. The car did come back a second time due to defective piston rings from a supplier/vendor, not our product, but we stood behind the engine build 100%, we also helped him tune the car to meet Georgia OBD2 emissions with his high flowing (not so efficient ) cats. We worked with a local tuner to him to do this. So as it stands Jim car was a custom Level 1 with automatic trans set up for track use and also has to meet OBD2 emissions for Georgia. Bottom line is Active Autowerke stood up 100% and supported him.

There was another car that was not mentioned here, it was also a ZHP car from New Jersey. This car lost an engine , the car was shipped to Active to be repaired, we found that the DME cover was left off for several weeks to be covered with Carbon Fiber overlay, well the DME connector pins for injector #5 and #6 were severely corroded and these 2 cylinders ran lean and the pistons and cylinder walls got burned badly. We fixed the engine and helped the customer with over 50% of the repair costs.This was not our fault, but we chose to help the customer does this sound like a company that does not stand behind their product and services?

There are many more of these instances where Active Autowerke has stepped up to the plate and take responsibility, I have more I could share on..............being in business for as long as we have, it is understood that things do go wrong, what you do to correct them and stand by them is what defines the company.

We did offer Josh to have his car shipped to us and we would sort it out and get it properly tuned on our dyno to the custom Level 2.5 specs he desired to have and even help him replace his head gasket. I told him we would look after everything except the shipping even though we did not install his sc or build his engine, he declined and asked if we would help him sell the sc kit.We agreed to help him with his decision and request.


Despite the way he may feel, Active Autowerke did not turn our backs to him .

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