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Old 06-25-2014, 07:31 PM   #1
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Which supercharger and cam setup????

I have a 05 zhp 6spd with aa headers and cat back, turner under drive pullies, aa tune, and a dinan intake. I ran autocross the other day and it sounds like I collapsed a lifter. I'm going to replace all the lifters and the chain tensioner while I'm in there. And I'm figuring since I have the cams out I may look into camming the car but I do plan on supercharging it hopefully by this winter so I would like cams that will compliment the blower. I'm also stuck between the aa or ess kits. Which one is more reliable and how do they compare? I've seen the ess dynosheet but not the aa. I'm curious how quickly the aa kit builds boost as well.
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First, don't rule out the TT Turbo kit, it will probably make more WHP & WTQ than either of the other kits. The tuning & drive-ability of the TT kit is some of the very best.....period.

Concerning your timing chain tensioner, buy & install a S54 M3 TCT. This is a Direct fit with no modifications needed, the M3 TCT will control your timing chain better than your current OE piece.



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First, don't rule out the TT Turbo kit, it will probably make more WHP & WTQ than either of the other kits. The tuning & drive-ability of the TT kit is some of the very best.....period.



Concerning your timing chain tensioner, buy & install a S54 M3 TCT. This is a Direct fit with no modifications needed, the M3 TCT will control your timing chain better than your current OE piece.







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I run one in my 330Ci, slightly higher spring tension keeps the chain from whipping around as much.




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Old 06-25-2014, 11:18 PM   #5
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Yea I was just researching that and wil definitely do it. Also thing I'm going to get the Greg smith oil pump and baffle kit to make sure I never have any oiling issues while autoxing. I've ran before and had a small tick before but after this past Sunday it sounded like a diesel for awhile. It finally went away after the slow cruise home after reading with autox cars a few cars will develop that. But my car has always had that light tick on cold starts so I'm thinking there is some issue in one of the lifters
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Who makes the twin turbo kit as well? I've seen the single kit by turbo techniques unless that's what tt stands for. Lol
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(Yea I was just researching that and wil definitely do it.) What specifically are you referring to ? Also thing I'm going to get the Greg smith oil pump and baffle kit to make sure I never have any oiling issues while autoxing. I've ran before and had a small tick before but after this past Sunday it sounded like a diesel for awhile. It finally went away after the slow cruise home after reading with autox cars a few cars will develop that. But my car has always had that light tick on cold starts so I'm thinking there is some issue in one of the lifters

That oil pump is like gold,......but.

IF I were to put a numeric order on what I'd buy it would go like this:

1) ATI Damper
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Remember, getting rid of the Bad Harmonics in the first place is the key to oil pump success. Thus, the ATI Damper.



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Yea I've read up on the s54 tensioner and damper and pump. I've been researching the past 3 days and it's been driving me crazy. Lol. I may need to put the blower back alittle doing the damper and oil pump but I'd rather have a good engine than a ticking time bomb
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:34 PM   #10
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Although I haven't found much info if any at all on forced induction cams and if you can run like a standard shrick 264/248 with boost.
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I feel you.


All that stuff is in my motor to help it stay together,......& we haven't even talked about the Super Tech high performance valve springs with titanium retainers yet....


Money shifts, they're a bitch.



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Old 06-25-2014, 11:51 PM   #12
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Yea. And I was hoping to afford a set of slicks this season too before this ticking after hard runs came up. Lol. I've had mixed reviews on the valve springs though. Turnermotorsports said always do them. AA said only over 100k miles and ess said not to do them since they do t have issues with vac cams on factory springs
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Yea. And I was hoping to afford a set of slicks this season too before this ticking after hard runs came up. Lol. I've had mixed reviews on the valve springs though. Turnermotorsports said always do them. AA said only over 100k miles and ess said not to do them since they do t have issues with vac cams on factory springs

First, out of the three you mentioned, the ONLY one I'd really listen to is Turner Motorsports. They professionally race cars & have a ton of on track race knowledge.

But I think you're still not understanding me, the Super Tech valve springs with titanium retainers (good to 9000 RPM) are insurance against missed shifts. Eventually you WILL miss a shift, & those springs will save your a$$.



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TT its for Technique Tuning not for Twin Turbo......

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Yea. And I was hoping to afford a set of slicks this season too before this ticking after hard runs came up. Lol. I've had mixed reviews on the valve springs though. Turnermotorsports said always do them. AA said only over 100k miles and ess said not to do them since they do t have issues with vac cams on factory springs
The ticking is a normal trait of most BMWs that are tracked hard, I've had it happen to me a number of times.

The recommended street car solution is to run 20-50 oil, add extra oil to the engine, and run an oil cooler.

The racing solution is to run a dry-sump...but that is not so street friendly.
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I've been running 5w40 which has helped it some on daily driving ticking noises. Gotcha. See I didn't find the rpm rating stuff on the springs. When you get into internal stuff on these cars it gets harder and harder to find threads and information like that rob. lol. Which oil baffle would you all recommend to put in the pan while it's off for the oil pump? Guess I'll do the pan stuff first then rebuild the valve train second.
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.............See I didn't find the rpm rating stuff on the springs. When you get into internal stuff on these cars it gets harder and harder to find threads and information like that rob. lol. Which oil baffle would you all recommend to put in the pan while it's off for the oil pump? Guess I'll do the pan stuff first then rebuild the valve train second.

Supertech 9000 RPM Valve Springs:
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This is the "Complete" Kit:
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I've personally (accidentally) missed two shifts with this kit installed, both bad, somewhere in the 8500 RPM range. My motor never new the difference, but with an OE valve train it would have been a motor rebuild Both times.


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I've been adding all this up and have been thinking this will cost me over 2k to only help this be more reliable and them when I cam and supercharge it there's another 7k. I've been looking into possibly a s54 swap as it has more potential and is cheaper than boost with cams. It may be more work but I'm capable of anything but welding. I've seen swaps have been done for under 5k for a diyer. Never seen a face lifted s54 either
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Certainly nothing wrong with a S54 swap, if you're up to it that would be a great thing.



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