Obama Should Start With Gangs : 80% of the Problem

Originally Posted by Lair

I don't gaf what anybody does with his dick. It isn't the sex. It's the hypocrisy.

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Yeah and I just posted a quote from Bill saying the same crap, yet you don't care because you root for his team.

Yeah, we all know that the dems use family values as a cornerstone of their campaigns.

Hypocrisy

"Family Values"
In Campaign, Gingrich Used "Family Values" Platform To Attack Female Opponent With Charge She Would Leave Her Husband Behind While In Washington. From Vanity Fair: "Another Gingrich theme in that campaign was moral leadership and family values. He drove the point home with an ad claiming that if Shapard were elected to Congress she would leave her husband, a local businessman, behind, while Gingrich would keep his family together. This issue was a subject of particular irony among the Shapard campaign staffers, where gossip about Gingrich's roving eye was widely believed and it was assumed that the Gingrich marriage was on the verge of breaking up. 'As the days dwindled down in the end of the campaign,' Shapard says, 'the campaign workers had an unofficial pool going on to see how long it would take him when he got to Washington to dump [Jackie.]'" [Vanity Fair, July 1989, via PBS.org]

•Meanwhile, Gingrich Used Wife He Had Cheated On To Write Letter Saying He Was A Family Man. As Salon explains: "Jackie Gingrich raised the daughters, worked to put Newt through graduate school and was a loyal political wife during his two unsuccessful campaigns for Congress in 1974 and 1976. In his make-or-break 1978 race, Gingrich enlisted Jackie to attack his female opponent, who had announced that if elected she would commute to Washington and allow her family to remain in Georgia. At Gingrich's instigation, Jackie wrote a campaign letter declaring that Newt was a fine husband and would take his family with him, although his top aides already knew Gingrich was having affairs and the marriage was falling apart." [Salon, 8/28/98]
Gingrich Presented First Wife With Divorce Terms "While She Was Recovering From Uterine Cancer" At A Hospital. According to Esquire: "At first, [Gingrich's second wife, Marianne Ginther,] had no idea that the wife he was divorcing was actually his high school geometry teacher, or that he went to the hospital to present her with divorce terms while she was recovering from uterine cancer and then fought the case so hard, Jackie had to get a court order just to pay her utility bills. Gingrich told her [Marianne] the story a little at a time, trusting her with things that nobody else knew - to this day, for example, the official story is that he started dating Jackie when he was eighteen and she was twenty-five. But he was really just sixteen, she [Marianne] says." [Esquire, 8/10/10]

While Married To Second Wife, Gingrich Carried On Six-Year Affair With Congressional Staffer. According to the New York Times: "Today, Ms. Bisek is Mrs. Gingrich, married for 11 years, but perhaps best remembered for the six-year affair that contributed to her husband's political downfall. His critics cast Mr. Gingrich, the former House speaker, as a hypocrite who sought to impeach a president over infidelity while engaging in it himself with Ms. Bisek, who was a Congressional aide." [New York Times, 5/9/11]

Gingrich Claimed His Infidelity Was "Partially Driven By How Passionately I Felt About This Country." Gingrich told the Christian Broadcasting Network's David Brody: "There's no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate. And what I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong, I wasn't trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing them." [CBN, 3/8/11]

Gingrich Justified His Hypocrisy On Family Values: "People Need To Hear What I Have To Say." According to Esquire:

He'd just returned from Erie, Pennsylvania, where he'd given a speech full of high sentiments about compassion and family values.

The next night, they sat talking out on their back patio in Georgia. She [Marianne] said, "How do you give that speech and do what you're doing?"

"It doesn't matter what I do," he answered. "People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live." [Esquire, 8/10/10]

so no rebuttal to Clinton talking about family values, gotcha.

Why do i need a rebuttal?

Democrats don't claim to be the "Family Values" party.

Originally Posted by badfast

A problem that plagues neighborhoods and communities should now be a federal issue? Talk about stripping states of their rights.

I'm not sure if this has been said yet, but once the issues cross into multiple states and countries, it becomes a federal issue.

Gangs have been a huge violence and gun problem for a century. Every POTUS for the last 100 years "should start with Gangs".

It was really only tried once with even minor success in reduction of the problem. Can you say J. Edgar. But, it also entailed huge violations of constitutional rights and a conservative wanna-be drag queen at the top of the FBI running the show.

Perhaps that is the model Chase favors, if he really wants something done about the gang "problem". I don't wanna why he would.

Therefore we should do nothing about gangs?

Originally Posted by choxor

Therefore we should do nothing about gangs?

What have we "done" about gangs in the last 100 years that has been effective? Plenty of things have been tried and re-tried. Its like the "drug war" we have flushed away billions on. Accept that they exist, and that gang violence and dope are part of the social fabric of our nation. Continue to pursue them as one does crime in general. But, to think that "something has to be done about the gang problem" is just a foolish pursuit. History has proven it to be true. Do I wish it was not the case, sure. I lived and worked in some fairly gang heavy areas, it is not always...pleasant, shall we say. But, it is reality.

Foolish? Yeah, in today's p*ssified society it is foolish.

Originally Posted by choxor

Therefore we should do nothing about gangs?

Death penalty for a gang affiliated violent offense and life in prison for gang related ANY offense. That will start cleaning the mess up.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Death penalty for a gang affiliated violent offense and life in prison for gang related ANY offense. That will start cleaning the mess up.

No it won't. Look at how difficult it is to prove RICO, now you want to try and do this with smaller fish. Comical. Goes to show that you know little to nothing about gangs and gang culture.

Originally Posted by rdsesq

No it won't. Look at how difficult it is to prove RICO, now you want to try and do this with smaller fish. Comical. Goes to show that you know little to nothing about gangs and gang culture.

Calm your feathers. It was simply a comical remark. I dont expect our justice system to put gang members to death for violent robberies, etc. It was a "dare to dream" comment. Its friday, don't you guys relax for the weekend? Sheesh.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Calm your feathers. It was simply a comical remark. I dont expect our justice system to put gang members to death for violent robberies, etc. It was a "dare to dream" comment. Its friday, don't you guys relax for the weekend? Sheesh.

My apologizes. I have heard that "solution" from staunch conservatives before, during some of the Crip/Blood turf wars, and they were not trying to be comical.

Sure, of course, start with the gangs, but don't end with them. They should comprise a big part of a comprehensive approach to reducing gun violence, one that would also include enhanced gun regulations too.

Originally Posted by Rhumb

Sure, of course, start with the gangs, but don't end with them. They should comprise a big part of a comprehensive approach to reducing gun violence, one that would also include enhanced gun regulations too.

Unless you can make all the guns disappear, regulations will do nothing in regards to gang violence.

Of course all the guns won't go away, no human effort is perfectly successful. However, if it makes enough guns go away to significantly decrease the gun violence rate and save lives, then I'd find that sufficient enough.

Originally Posted by Rhumb

Of course all the guns won't go away, no human effort is perfectly successful. However, if it makes enough guns go away to significantly decrease the gun violence rate and save lives, then I'd find that sufficient enough.

We have far more dangerous things to focus on, gun deaths are relatively rare in comparison

Originally Posted by Rhumb

Of course all the guns won't go away, no human effort is perfectly successful. However, if it makes enough guns go away to significantly decrease the gun violence rate and save lives, then I'd find that sufficient enough.

Give me a single shred of evidence, including LOGIC, that would even remotely work. I will spare you the statistics.....how is it going to decrease gun CRIME?
Tell me, how much cocaine is grown in the US? Heroin? How's that ban goin?

This country has a PC problem. It has a MINORITY problem. It has a brown people problem. It has a deadbeats having kids problem. It has a prison system problem, it has a corrupt libtard judge problem, and it has the pvssification of America problem....guns are as much the problem of any crime as charmin extra soft.

Originally Posted by Rhumb

Of course all the guns won't go away, no human effort is perfectly successful. However, if it makes enough guns go away to significantly decrease the gun violence rate and save lives, then I'd find that sufficient enough.

Death is a part of life and exists everywhere. Embrace it. If that's the case increase regulations and laws on driving, operating machinery, flying in a plane, boating, etc. There are plenty of ways to die. I wouldn't be surprised if death by a firearm ranks pretty low on that list.

You sound fearful of the unknown.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Give me a single shred of evidence, including LOGIC, that would even remotely work. I will spare you the statistics.....how is it going to decrease gun CRIME?
Tell me, how much cocaine is grown in the US? Heroin? How's that ban goin?

This country has a PC problem. It has a MINORITY problem. It has a brown people problem. It has a deadbeats having kids problem. It has a prison system problem, it has a corrupt libtard judge problem, and it has the pvssification of America problem....guns are as much the problem of any crime as charmin extra soft.

Logic as defined by your window licking mindset?

The bolded part just makes you look like the ignorant pos you are. You are also a pvssy. So you yourself are contributing to the pvssification of the USoA.