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Old 02-13-2013, 07:46 AM   #41
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So if you can do it, anyone can? If you hadn't, would that mean that no one can?
I'm not comparing myself to others here. Don't turn this into a me vs them. Answer my question. Don't make excuses is all I'm saying. Work hard and appreciate what you have in life. Opportunities come to those who are humble and diligent.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:58 AM   #42
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I'm not comparing myself to others here. Don't turn this into a me vs them. Answer my question. Don't make excuses is all I'm saying. Work hard and appreciate what you have in life. Opportunities come to those who are humble and diligent.
I'm just pointing out that you're using a sample size of 1.
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I'm just pointing out that you're using a sample size of 1.
Sometimes that's all that's needed.
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Sorry he doesn't support a socialist-wannabe which our constitution denounces.
How did I miss that Amendment?

I certainly understand the Founding Fathers were deeply concerned with the spread of Socialism, Marxism and Communism, particularly Madison and Adams, IIRC. Perhaps they forgot to put that Amendment in, what with happy hour coming at the end of the Constitutional Convention and all.
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How did I miss that Amendment?

I certainly understand the Founding Fathers were deeply concerned with the spread of Socialism, Marxism and Communism, particularly Madison and Adams, IIRC. Perhaps they forgot to put that Amendment in, what with happy hour coming at the end of the Constitutional Convention and all.
The entire document clearly outlines a democracy... Maybe it doesn't directly say 'no socialism here be-ith in this country!' But it's sole purpose was to setup a democratic governing body.
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The entire document clearly outlines a democracy... Maybe it doesn't directly say 'no socialism here be-ith in this country!' But it's sole purpose was to setup a democratic governing body.
The United States is a republic, not a democracy.
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The United States is a republic, not a democracy.
Obama kept saying democracy last night.
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The entire document clearly outlines a democracy... Maybe it doesn't directly say 'no socialism here be-ith in this country!' But it's sole purpose was to setup a democratic governing body.
Democracy's roots come from the combination of two Greek words--demos and kratos. Translated this understood as "rule by the people".

Socialism is an economic policy not a political policy. Adopting socialism doesn't infringe on anyone's ability to vote or freely engage in politics.

Perhaps you should understand the differences.
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Obama kept saying democracy last night.
Probably because terms like "republic" would make your average American think of the Empire from Star Wars.
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A republic is a democracy.
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A republic is a democracy.
A republic is a government in which a restricted group of citizens form a political unit, usually under the auspice of a charter, which directs them to elect representatives who will govern the state. Republics, by their very nature, tend to be free polities, not because they are elected by the citizens of the polity, but because they are bound by charters, which limit the responsibilities and powers of the state. The fact that people vote for representatives has nothing to do with making anything free. The logical consistency and rationality of the charter, as well as the willingness of the people to live by it, is what keeps people free.

A democracy is government by the majority. There is still a restricted group of citizens in a democracy, but this group rules directly and personally runs the state. The group may delegate specific tasks to individuals, such as generalships and governorships, but there is no question that the ruling force in a democracy is not a charter (if there even is a charter), but the vote of the majority. Democracies are free only if the people know what freedom is and are consistent in their application of it. If they don’t know this, or more appropriately, if a majority of the people don’t know this, then a democracy could be just as tyrannical as the worst dictator (see Socrates’ forced suicide by the Athenian democracy.)

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OMG!! An article from 35 years ago! No one changes or grows up in 35 years! Not even our own pot smoking president!!!! /sarcasm.


Lol. ignorance and arrogance in this thread is disturbing....
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A republic is a government in which a restricted group of citizens form a political unit, usually under the auspice of a charter, which directs them to elect representatives who will govern the state. Republics, by their very nature, tend to be free polities, not because they are elected by the citizens of the polity, but because they are bound by charters, which limit the responsibilities and powers of the state. The fact that people vote for representatives has nothing to do with making anything free. The logical consistency and rationality of the charter, as well as the willingness of the people to live by it, is what keeps people free.

A democracy is government by the majority. There is still a restricted group of citizens in a democracy, but this group rules directly and personally runs the state. The group may delegate specific tasks to individuals, such as generalships and governorships, but there is no question that the ruling force in a democracy is not a charter (if there even is a charter), but the vote of the majority. Democracies are free only if the people know what freedom is and are consistent in their application of it. If they don't know this, or more appropriately, if a majority of the people don't know this, then a democracy could be just as tyrannical as the worst dictator (see Socrates' forced suicide by the Athenian democracy.)

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All republics are democracies. Not all democracies are republics. Important to understand.

A republic consists of elected individuals who are voted in to officer. A republic is a form of representative democracy.

A republic is not a self-appointed government like a dictatorship or a monarchy. A republic is a democracy. There is more than one form of democracy.

I am unsure why he included the bolded part as it isn't necessary. Unless he was starting to venture into the Western brand of democracy--liberal democracy vs illiberal democracy.

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All republics are democracies. Not all democracies are republics. Important to understand.
They're two entirely different things. We're a constitutional republic. It's not the same thing as a democracy.

A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good). -- Link
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They're two entirely different things. We're a constitutional republic. It's not the same thing as a democracy.

A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good). -- Link
Sorry man, but a republic is a form of democracy. Rule by the people. People in America come together, collectively, to elect their leaders. That is the process of democracy. Citizens are free to engage in politics of the state and be represented with the power of the vote.

The second part...regarding mob rule is in more relation to a direct democracy.
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Sorry man, but a republic is a form of democracy. Rule by the people. People in America come together, collectively, to elect their leaders. That is the process of democracy. Citizens are free to engage in politics of the state and be represented with the power of the vote.

The second part...regarding mob rule is in more relation to a direct democracy.
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