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Old 02-17-2013, 03:16 PM   #81
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hey guys, in an effort to keep from starting another thread ill ask here. i was interested in finding out a basic pricing/design idea for my basement. its a finished, "L" shaped, carpeted room, that is about 1500 square feet with 8 foot ceilings. I normally have people over on the weekends so it would be nice to have a system that finally sounds good and has some bass "something my current setup has none of". my general budget is about $1000, strictly for components. If it runs higher due to the cost of wire, connections, mounting hardware, ect so be it.

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$1000 is not easy.

I always recommend quality over quantity.

$300-$600 for a receiver = previous model of Onkyo, Denon, Marantz.
$300-$600 for two front speakers by Polk Audio.
$400-$800 for a sub by Polk, Velodyne, etc.

$1000-$2000 to get started.

Next upgrade is to buy a decent center channel and rear speakers for $500-$1000

Total price $1500-$3000 for a solid basic system.

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Let me throw in a few more specifics. This system will be strictly music. Bass is important, music tastes vary but a solid chunk of what us played is house/dub/trance along with whatever else anyone wants to throw in.

Is their anything you would suggest that could be bought in chunks and still work? My budget can go over 1000 but it would take longer to get to that point.

So say stage 1 would be the receiver and speakers. Stage 2 would be the sub. Stage 3... ect ect

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If you buy the right speakers and aren't a basshead, you can also avoid the subwoofer starting out.

Bumping it to $2000 or so makes it easier.

For around $2k, I'd recommend the B&W CM5 speakers (they are actually more coherent than the towers) & a Denon, Marantz, or Pioneer D3 receiver. The CM5s do not need a subwoofer. I'm not generally a B&W fan so do not apply that advice to the other speakers in the CM line or the lower end B&W speakers (especially not those).

That's for music. If this is mainly for multimedia (movies and games) you can go with either the Pioneer or Energy home theater in a box setup.

There is a sound for every budget.

For ~$650 (and just a 2.1 system) I'd recommend this:

Towers:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...=pioneer+tower

Subwoofer:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SW-8MK...er+subwoofer+8

Receiver:

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1513...denon+receiver

Alternative if you're planning to stay two channel:

http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-...=harmon+kardon

To shave a bit from this I'd pick up a used receiver for $100-$150, most receivers aren't worth much when they're a couple of years old. That doesn't mean that they sound any worse!

You could also read up on old school speakers and try to get a steal on craigslist, but old speakers can break down (surround, etc.) so that's a higher risk proposition.

You can also skimp on the rear surround speakers, they are for effect and aren't nearly as crucial as the front two speakers and the center channel. If you are doing 5.1 or 7.1, the center channel is very important and can define the musical quality of the whole system.

Polk is a good company for speakers too. I'd still stay away from Onkyo. I had one of their receivers a couple of years back which had a channel go out, and I think it almost sent a square wave through my Amatis! That would have been expensive. Even when it worked I don't think it sounded very good. YMMV.

Glockman: In tri-amp mode the Panasonic should put out a around 300wpc, so it isn't a weakling.

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Let me throw in a few more specifics. This system will be strictly music. Bass is important, music tastes vary but a solid chunk of what us played is house/dub/trance along with whatever else anyone wants to throw in.

Is their anything you would suggest that could be bought in chunks and still work? My budget can go over 1000 but it would take longer to get to that point.

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I would get a old used receiver off ebay for $200 and spend the rest on speakers.

Cerwin Vegas, Polk Towers, DCM, etc.

IMO Subwoofers are ALWAYS needed especially when you are listening at LOWER levels. As I am sure you know, music sounds better when it is cranked to around 50%-75% of the power. It takes power to move the large driver in a tower speaker. A powered subwoofer gives you that bass output independent of the volume of the speakers.

ie - 100w per channel receiver played at 75 watts is sending 50w of it to the bass driver (woofer.) at 25w you are sending maybe 15w to the woofer. Whereas you could add 50w-150w of bass to your system at 25-50w with the use of a sub.

Old name brand reciever = $200
Towers $200-300 each
Subwoofer $400-$800

$1000-$1500

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I would get a old used receiver off ebay for $200 and spend the rest on speakers.

Cerwin Vegas, Polk Towers, DCM, etc.

IMO Subwoofers are ALWAYS needed especially when you are listening at LOWER levels. As I am sure you know, music sounds better when it is cranked to around 50%-75% of the power. It takes power to move the large driver in a tower speaker. A powered subwoofer gives you that bass output independent of the volume of the speakers.

ie - 100w per channel receiver played at 75 watts is sending 50w of it to the bass driver (woofer.) at 25w you are sending maybe 15w to the woofer. Whereas you could add 50w-150w of bass to your system at 25-50w with the use of a sub.

Old name brand reciever = $200
Towers $200-300 each
Subwoofer $400-$800

$1000-$1500

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Kind of a strange way to phrase it... but yeah... generally I'd agree. The sub should not be identifiable though. Do you listen for a sub?

With the McIntosh, for around 75% of music the subwoofer is not necessary, even at lower listening levels. I think they go down to 40-45hz. So it depends on the speakers.

And obviously you are not giving anywhere near full power to a speaker at any given time. Even if your amplifier is 1600w, you are probably listening at a fraction of that the majority of the time, unless you really crank it all the time or have very inefficient speakers. A set of Avant Garde horns that my dad had- which were rated at 109db/1w needed no power at all. But, to be fair, they didn't play very low either. And afaik the power given to each individual driver in a speaker should be a constant proportion of the power going into the speaker at any given volume.

There is zero chance that he can get branded (and good quality) speakers with his $1000 system budget that don't need a subwoofer, that much I think we can agree on.

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if it matters at all, real long shot here, i have been using an old receiver in my garage with 5 speakers running off it. its a yamaha RX-v393. doubt that will help in this situation but if i can use that as my receiver with good results thats a good chunk of change to save right there!

link to yamaha: http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio..._u/?mode=model
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if it matters at all, real long shot here, i have been using an old receiver in my garage with 5 speakers running off it. its a yamaha RX-v393. doubt that will help in this situation but if i can use that as my receiver with good results thats a good chunk of change to save right there!

link to yamaha: http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio..._u/?mode=model
I've got a R-V901 in my garage.

The $40 radioshack speakers actually sound halfway decent for being in the garage
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I've got a R-V901 in my garage.

The $40 radioshack speakers actually sound halfway decent for being in the garage
Are yours Optimus or Realisitc?



Their stuff wasn't half bad. I had the ones with the Lineaum tweeter which apparently have a cult following. LX-5s. Not the faintest idea why.
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Their stuff wasn't half bad. I had the ones with the Lineaum tweeter which apparently have a cult following. LX-5s. Not the faintest idea why.
I just went out and checked. They say Auvio on them. 5.25" and two tweeters. 70w/4 ohms per side supposedly. I can't seem to find them on the internet anywhere, but they're aight after I bump up the treble and the bass alot, then enable the super awesome mid-90's effects on the receiver
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^ Radio Shack's minimus 7 and minimus 77 bookshelf speakers were an outstanding value when they went on sale for half price for like $50-$100 per pair.

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Crutchfiled deal...

$263 each for Polk towers and a free $300 sub or $300 towards better sub.

Upgrade to DSW PRO 660 for $350 more.

$876 for two nice towers and a nice subwoofer.

Fantastic value IMO.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107TSI4...400-Black.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107DSWP...wi.html?tp=187


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Any suggestions for an in wall setup using the Polk deal? I have decided whether the rear speakers will be in ceiling or in wall.
I have some Infinity tower speakers and a center channel for now, so I suspect I'll be buying this stuff in phases.

Budget is probably $1k or less for just the speakers.
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Any suggestions for an in wall setup using the Polk deal? I have decided whether the rear speakers will be in ceiling or in wall.
I have some Infinity tower speakers and a center channel for now, so I suspect I'll be buying this stuff in phases.

Budget is probably $1k or less for just the speakers.
FOR REARS:

In ceiling: http://www.crutchfield.com/p_10780FX...-80F-X-RT.html

$599 - $200 = $399 (find something else to buy in polk speakers for $100. cheap outdoors for the garage, etc. to qualify for $499 purchase.)



or

$249-50=199x2= 399 (buy another $100 in speakers....)

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_10765RT...dio-65-RT.html



If your are looking for all 5 speakers for in wall + subwoofer, let me know and I will put it together for you.
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Thanks - those look great.

Yeah, if you can make a recommendation for the 5 speakers + subwoofer, I'd appreciate it. I'm not in a hurry. Thanks!
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Yeah, if you can make a recommendation for the 5 speakers + subwoofer, I'd appreciate it. I'm not in a hurry. Thanks!
$1030...

(3) Polk Audio 65 RT for the front and center = $600
(2) Polk Audio 625-RT for the rears = $300
(1) Polk Audio DSW PRO 440wi = $130 (upgrade)

$1130...

(5) Polk Audio 65 RT for the front and center and rear = $600
(1) Polk Audio DSW PRO 440wi = $130 (upgrade)

$1240...

(5) Polk Audio 65 RT for the front and center and rears = $1000
(1) Polk Audio DSW PRO 550wi = $240 (upgrade)

$1350...

(5) Polk Audio 65 RT for the front and center and rears = $1000
(1) Polk Audio DSW PRO 660wi = $350 (upgrade)


$1700...

(2) Polk Audio 265 RT for the front = $600
(1) Polk Audio 255C-RT for the center = $350
(2) Polk Audio 65 RT for the rears = $400
(1) Polk Audio DSW PRO 660wi = $350 (upgrade)


* You can substitute the in ceiling speakers for the rears on all the packages $1130 and up.

If you really wanted to be around $1000, I would do the $1350 package. To me its the best overall performance for the money.

Of course, you can find some of this cheaper online. Use crutchfield for the stuff on sale and to qualify for subwoofer deal, buy the rest cheaper somewhere else (if you want.)

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This thread should just be moved into the Home Improvement subforum which would encompass home theater.
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The other night at scouts we had one of our leaders come in and teach the boys about building speakers. He brought wood that he had pre-cut and the rest of the components to build simple shelf-sized speakers. The scouts had a great time building the speaker boxes and putting together the rest of the components. And I have to say: I was pretty impressed at how good those little speakers sounded. It was a fun project.
What an awesome project for kids.
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I have Monitor Audio RX6 towers and a RX Center. They are a really fantastic option for around $2k. I have them paired with a Onkyo TX-NR515 Receiver and have been extremely happy with the results. They provide enough bass that a sub is not necessary off the bat.

And yes I know my center channel is to high.



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