Obama wants an increase in the minimum hourly wage from the current $7.25 to $9

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

A lot of us were poor or low income at one point or another in our lives and wanted to live. Don't tell Lair that.

I think its a reference to gate community member Chase and the many disparaging comments he made especially about letting them die in the streets.

Originally Posted by customisbetter

Honestly if this **** works so well, Lets just mandate that every employee must make $35000 a year no matter how many hours worked. That way everybody will have extra money to spend. Kids in the ghetto will buy american built Camry's instead of used Impalas and all crime will end.

I'll call it now. This is the dumbest post I'll read all day.

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Corporations in this country already pay some of the highest taxes. I'm sure this will bode well.

They're paying the lowest effective rates in 40 years.

According to the Wall Street Journal's recent study of Congressional Budget Office numbers, corporations are paying an effective rate of 12.1%, the lowest in at least 40 years.

Read more: http://business.time.com/2012/02/06/...#ixzz2KnBnRcOy

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Corporations in this country already pay some of the highest taxes. I'm sure this will bode well.

No, man actually it is lower then most of European countries!

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Redistribution of wealth?

Originally Posted by 'busa

I'll call it now. This is the dumbest post I'll read all day.

I guess it doesn't matter if you don't understand my sarcasm. The government is slowly moving towards my "dumb post" then I would like. If the nation is in a better position directly due to an increase in minimum wage, then I'll be the idiot. However I firmly believe that will not happen.

1. Obama increases social programs and the welfare state.
2. Reports come out indicating the welfare state pays MORE than minimum wage.
3. Obama's solution is to increase minimum wage.

Does this guy WANT to destroy our economy?

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

1. Obama increases social programs and the welfare state.
2. Reports come out indicating the welfare state pays MORE than minimum wage.
3. Obama's solution is to increase minimum wage.

Does this guy WANT to destroy our economy?

Remember, he also wants to take away your guns.

Originally Posted by badfast

I think its a reference to gate community member Chase and the many disparaging comments he made especially about letting them die in the streets.

This is such an arrogant, obnoxious comment. I had loving parents who gave me the best they could, taught me proper morals, put a golf club in my hand, and allowed me to earn a partial scholarship to a top tier school. I graduated with honors from that program and took a job in SALE with a tech startup from Norway. I'm not in a family business nor was I ever handed a paycheck... My entire work life has been paid primarily off COMMISSION which is entirely a result of hard work.

For people to sit there and discount my views (which are founded in very basic free market principles) simply based on my upbringing or parents... now THAT is bigoted.

Apparently discounting those abusing welfare is elitist... but discounting those who have worked their a$$ off to make something of themselves.. that's perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by badfast

I think its a reference to gate community member Chase and the many disparaging comments he made especially about letting them die in the streets.

This is such an arrogant, obnoxious comment. I had loving parents who gave me the best they could, taught me proper morals, put a golf club in my hand, and allowed me to earn a partial scholarship to a top tier school. I graduated with honors from that program and took a job in SALE with a tech startup from Norway. I'm not in a family business nor was I ever handed a paycheck... My entire work life has been paid primarily off COMMISSION which is entirely a result of hard work.

For people to sit there and discount my views (which are founded in very basic free market principles) simply based on my upbringing or parents... now THAT is bigoted.

Apparently discounting those abusing welfare is elitist... but discounting those who have worked their a$$ off to make something of themselves.. that's perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by 'busa

Remember, he also wants to take away your guns.

good one

Originally Posted by 'busa

Remember, he also wants to take away your guns.

He may not want to but his coworkers certainly do.

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

This is such an arrogant, obnoxious comment. I had loving parents who gave me the best they could, taught me proper morals, put a golf club in my hand, and allowed me to earn a partial scholarship to a top tier school.

Some morals:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

If uninsured individuals get sick, it's their own fault. Let the free market play out and let them die in the street.

Busa, why is that at all immoral? I am not responsible for the CHOICES of other individuals. Is it IMMORAL for me to not care if someone commits suicide? I think not. Let people live and die by their OWN CHOICES. That is the primary driver and the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a free market.

If someone CHOOSES to go sans-healthcare, they must live (or die) with the consequences. Under what system is it just or reasonable to allow some to live so frivolously and pass those costs onto others? I understand you wish for the world's largest nanny state in which NOBODY is responsible for anything and everyone can do whatever they please.. but that is NOT the world in which the US thrived and is NOT a world I want anything to do with.

To sit there and slander someone because you disagree with their opinions on matters...

Originally Posted by 'busa

Some morals:

How does a personal attack on a exaggerated post have anything to do with the topic of government power?

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

Busa, why is that at all immoral? I am not responsible for the CHOICES of other individuals. Is it IMMORAL for me to not care if someone commits suicide? I think not. Let people live and die by their OWN CHOICES. That is the primary driver and the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a free market.

Also YES

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

This is such an arrogant, obnoxious comment. I had loving parents who gave me the best they could, taught me proper morals, put a golf club in my hand, and allowed me to earn a partial scholarship to a top tier school. I graduated with honors from that program and took a job in SALE with a tech startup from Norway. I'm not in a family business nor was I ever handed a paycheck... My entire work life has been paid primarily off COMMISSION which is entirely a result of hard work.

For people to sit there and discount my views (which are founded in very basic free market principles) simply based on my upbringing or parents... now THAT is bigoted.

Apparently discounting those abusing welfare is elitist... but discounting those who have worked their a$$ off to make something of themselves.. that's perfectly fine.

So in other words you have never experienced the side of life you so want to dictate?

btw, IDGAF about your history, your parents, or how you credit your so called "hard work" to arrive where you are.

I discount your views for many reasons. And your country club wannabe lifestyle isn't one of those.

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

Busa, why is that at all immoral? I am not responsible for the CHOICES of other individuals. Is it IMMORAL for me to not care if someone commits suicide? I think not. Let people live and die by their OWN CHOICES. That is the primary driver and the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a free market.

To sit there and slander someone because you disagree with their opinions on matters...

You act as though people are completely in control of the world they live in. Where would you have ended up without your parents?

It can be argued you are who you are because of luck.

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI

Busa, why is that at all immoral? I am not responsible for the CHOICES of other individuals. Is it IMMORAL for me to not care if someone commits suicide? I think not. Let people live and die by their OWN CHOICES. That is the primary driver and the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a free market.

To sit there and slander someone because you disagree with their opinions on matters...

Slander?

Someone give a supporting argument for the President's proposal.....