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Old 02-13-2013, 09:48 AM   #41
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You act as though people are completely in control of the world they live in. Where would you have ended up without your parents?

It can be argued you are who you are because of luck.
It can be argued that most of the people on government assistance don't work as hard as they could to earn more money.
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lol @ Obama talking about a family with 2 kids making minimum wage $14,000 a year. Guess what, DON'T HAVE FVCKING TWO KIDS IF YOU MAKE MINIMUM WAGE. Also, you have to be a special kind of dud to make minimum wage. As noted above, kids working the checkout counter already make over minimum.
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Bipartisan bullshittery aside, this is going to be an additional expense for employers. That's the bottom line.

More money sounds great, and hell it is great, but it's got to come from somewhere. And if you think businesses are going to simply take the hit to their profit margin to compensate then you're a moron.
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You act as though people are completely in control of the world they live in. Where would you have ended up without your parents?

It can be argued you are who you are because of luck.
That is completely correct... but the FREE MARKET is what gave my parents, and their parents, and your parents the ability to provide for their children as best they could.. it is the very nature of the free market and what makes it beautiful. If you remove the ability for someone to provide a better X to their children through their own work, what is their motivation? Should all children be FORCED to have the same upbringing to ensure a level playing field? I think NOT.
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Someone give a supporting argument for the President's proposal.....
NOBODY can logically support the president's proposal.. which is why this has turned into a "bash those people" thread.

Before I even posted in here, Badfast went off on a little bitter jealous tirade.
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Before I even posted in here, Badfast went off on a little bitter jealous tirade.
Did he ever post a pull up video? lol
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That is completely correct... but the FREE MARKET is what gave my parents, and their parents, and your parents the ability to provide for their children as best they could.. it is the very nature of the free market and what makes it beautiful. If you remove the ability for someone to provide a better X to their children through their own work, what is their motivation? Should all children be FORCED to have the same upbringing to ensure a level playing field? I think NOT.
The US has never had a free market. Free markets don't exist in the real world.

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Instead of raising the minimum wage (which sticks it to employers and eventually us, the consumer) the government should broaden the Earned Income Tax Credit (EIC).....it puts money directly into the hands of those low earners and doesn't negatively impact employers and consumers.

But I'm aware that logic has no place in politics.
It would certainly be more effective, but then it just places a further burden on taxpayers. It just happens to have less direct negative unintended consequences.

One thing is for sure, if they raise the minimum wage from 7.25 to 9, they're going to create a lot more unemployment for black and Latino young adults. The fact that President Obama still hasn't caught on to that fact is pretty astonishing. Either that, or he doesn't care. It's hard to say which.

The only people who really benefit from an increased minimum wage are employed teenagers.
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That is completely correct... but the FREE MARKET is what gave my parents, and their parents, and your parents the ability to provide for their children as best they could.. it is the very nature of the free market and what makes it beautiful. If you remove the ability for someone to provide a better X to their children through their own work, what is their motivation? Should all children be FORCED to have the same upbringing to ensure a level playing field? I think NOT.

NOBODY can logically support the president's proposal.. which is why this has turned into a "bash those people" thread.

Before I even posted in here, Badfast went off on a little bitter jealous tirade.
Hardly jealous. Amazed at how your thought process works, but yet not the least bit interested.

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The US has never had a free market. Free markets don't exist in the real world.


It would certainly be more effective, but then it just places a further burden on taxpayers. It just happens to have less direct negative unintended consequences.

One thing is for sure, if they raise the minimum wage from 7.25 to 9, they're going to create a lot more unemployment for black and Latino young adults. The fact that President Obama still hasn't caught on to that fact is pretty astonishing. Either that, or he doesn't care. It's hard to say which.

The only people who really benefit from an increased minimum wage are employed teenagers.
Totally agreed on your first point. I hate hearing people yell and scream about needing to be a free market when one has never existed in this country.

As to the EIC vs. minimum wage.....it comes down to picking the lesser of two evils, so to speak. Increasing the minimum wage sounds nice, but it usually doesn't work as intended.
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One could venture the argument that most of us are dependent on a government in some way, shape, or form.
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why didnt he just approve of the tax break again instead of letting it be done with and save the minimum wage increase? it would be a wash in a way, except now the corporations will have lay offs and higher prices. Save us the % in taxes and leave the minimum wage where it is.

Or does that not make sense to anybody else but me?
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why didnt he just approve of the tax break again instead of letting it be done with and save the minimum wage increase? it would be a wash in a way, except now the corporations will have lay offs and higher prices. Save us the % in taxes and leave the minimum wage where it is.

Or does that not make sense to anybody else but me?
What tax break again?
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the previous 2% tax cut that expired this year.
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lol @ Obama talking about a family with 2 kids making minimum wage $14,000 a year. Guess what, DON'T HAVE FVCKING TWO KIDS IF YOU MAKE MINIMUM WAGE. Also, you have to be a special kind of dud to make minimum wage. As noted above, kids working the checkout counter already make over minimum.
Tell that to this woman...

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Why not push for $12 minimum wage at this point?

The argument that ANYONE that works hard deserves to make good money is insane. You have to know what someone is working hard AT before it can be true. Working hard all day making dog sh!t sandwiches, it doesn't mean you deserve to make a living off it.
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the previous 2% tax cut that expired this year.
That's a $300/year difference for someone who makes minimum wage and about $1000 for someone who makes 50k. On top of that, it was temporary.

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Why not push to reduce taxes to 0%? See how stupid that is?
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My proposal: lower the minimum wage to 37 cents/hr. to spur full employment, surging economy, revived middle class and fixing of deficit and debt problems.
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lol @ Obama talking about a family with 2 kids making minimum wage $14,000 a year. Guess what, DON'T HAVE FVCKING TWO KIDS IF YOU MAKE MINIMUM WAGE. Also, you have to be a special kind of dud to make minimum wage. As noted above, kids working the checkout counter already make over minimum.
It's not a conservative value to regulate procreation.
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It's not a conservative value to regulate procreation.
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