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View Poll Results: which would you rather have as your DD?
135i 86 72.88%
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:02 PM   #81
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:04 PM   #82
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There is a new BRZ in my building... looks great on the outside.. until you get close. Everything is plasticy and the interior is just garbage.
Have you ever sat in the seats? BRZ/FRS seats >>>>> regular E46 seats and regular E46 sports seats.

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Old 02-14-2013, 02:04 PM   #83
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I understand that everyone has their personal choice...but we are beyond that...If per se, you already owned one, then I wouldn't even have a leg to stand on...but the debate is about which one to get seeing how they are both similar in price...
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Have you ever sat in the seats? BRZ/FRS seats >>>>> regular E46 seats and regular E46 sports seats.

All depends on what you define as important
but then 135i seats>>>>> brz/frs/gt86 seats. That's what this whole thread is about right? Could someone also tell me why an identical car has 3 different ****ing names.
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I understand that everyone has their personal choice...but we are beyond that...If per se, you already owned one, then I wouldn't even have a leg to stand on...but the debate is about which one to get seeing how they are both similar in price...
These cars are not alike aside from price and RWD.

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but then 135i seats>>>>> brz/frs/gt86 seats. That's what this whole thread is about right? Could someone also tell me why an identical car has 3 different ****ing names.
Not 135i base seats, but the sport seats are better. The BRZ seats are seriously comfortable and have great lateral support. 135i seats are lacking in shoulder support, but are comfortable for sure.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:09 PM   #86
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You will never see a BRZ with 400 WHP!!!! You obviously don't know anything about the N54 platform....with stock turbos (no turbo lag at all) guys are pushing over 400 WHP....FI is the way of the future as you can see with all the newer cars going for it over more cylinders...

If you want a BRZ, go buy a used Lancer Evo....also 400 AWHP with bolt ons and a tune...
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Lancer evo is not even in the same category as BRZ lololol
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Could someone also tell me why an identical car has 3 different ****ing names.
They are not identical. The subaru comes standard with a lot more options.
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They are not identical. The subaru comes standard with a lot more options.
same chassis, engine, and every single component is the same. They are even made in the same factory.
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Lancer evo is not even in the same category as BRZ lololol


Fergo - they are essentially different trim levels. Sold as BR-Z and Toyota/Scion due to joint venture on the project, and Scion in the US because Scion is Toyota's basic/youth brand. You should know this already
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Lancer evo is not even in the same category as BRZ lololol
The point I was trying to make is that for the price tag of a BRZ and 135i, if you are leaning towards a BRZ go buy a Lancer...you get WAY more for your money...so correct...they are not is the same category and neither is the BRZ with the 135i
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same chassis, engine, and every single component is the same. They are even made in the same factory.
The BRZ comes with packages while everything on the FRS is available a la carte.

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Not 135i base seats, but the sport seats are better. The BRZ seats are seriously comfortable and have great lateral support. 135i seats are lacking in shoulder support, but are comfortable for sure.
Yeah lol the base seats are garbage. You're right about lacking in support, I wish the bolsters were more pronounced, but then again it's not a sports car
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The BRZ comes with packages while everything on the FRS is available a la carte.
different trim levels, whoopty do. same engine, suspension, brakes, chassis, body. made in same factory just slapped different badges on it.
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Lol all these haters on the 135is looks. Go buy one, your opinion would change I can assure you.
+1 get more compliments on this car than i ever imagined. love it
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Fergo...have you not read about what these guys are doing to their 335i's? With Downpipes, intercooler, exhaust, tuning, they are getting around 400 to the wheels...with the upgraded turbos they are closer to 500...I haven't read anyone getting above 5 without going more extreme in their mods

As far as an Evo IX with over 400 WHP...my friend has one...converted it over to E85, new turbo, wastegate, tune, etc..

As for a BRZ, I have not seen or heard of anyone coming close to these numbers...
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Fergo...have you not read about what these guys are doing to their 335i's? With Downpipes, intercooler, exhaust, tuning, they are getting around 400 to the wheels...with the upgraded turbos they are closer to 500...I haven't read anyone getting above 5 without going more extreme in their mods

As far as an Evo IX with over 400 WHP...my friend has one...converted it over to E85, new turbo, wastegate, tune, etc..

As for a BRZ, I have not seen or heard of anyone coming close to these numbers...
just stop, this is like making a fat kid run through an obstacle course, you can't help but laugh and feel bad

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different trim levels, whoopty do. same engine, suspension, brakes, chassis, body. made in same factory just slapped different badges on it.
What is your point? You want a marketing explanation of why Pontiac/GM, GMC/ Chevy, Holden/Ford, build twin cars????
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Hahaha look another person that thinks they know something about a 135i but has probably never driven one. There is no turbo lag. You feel the turbos at 3k rpm. Lol at you thinking the N54 is a garbage engine you know nothing go home

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The n54 is an AMAZING motor. i laugh when i hear people flip over the HPFP which is seriously like a solved issue. I havent had one issue with this car over a span of 50k miles. if i do it is all under warranty. hpfp is covered to 120k, and turbos to 80. Next car is for sure an Msport f30 335i custom order.
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actually there are forced induction options for brz/frs, it seems supercharging it is the way most people go. Seems like around 280 wheel is what people are comfortable with without upgrading engine internals. That being said I think a 280whp BRZ would be badass
source http://www.motortrend.com/features/p..._supercharger/
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