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Old 02-17-2013, 03:44 PM   #41
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All the best with your move to the ///M mate you have been a great contributor and shared alot of info with your track non-m. I do believe it would be alot simpler having a track E46M3 as the car already has alot of the support systems in place from the factory.
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I think Zionsville is a bit overhyped, especially for the price. The aluminum can crack just as easily as the plastic, and I have seen it. When you factor in the cost, it takes about 3 OEM radiators to make up the cost of 1 Zionsville. I'm not sure about the inline 6 motor, but the S62 has a 0 pressure system.
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I think Zionsville is a bit overhyped, especially for the price. The aluminum can crack just as easily as the plastic, and I have seen it. When you factor in the cost, it takes about 3 OEM radiators to make up the cost of 1 Zionsville. I'm not sure about the inline 6 motor, but the S62 has a 0 pressure system.
Yup. and the radiator needs some massaging to get it in. Also makes servicing anything in the front of the belt drive a PIA. Never would pay $1700 for it...I didn't. But the aluminum does dissipate hear much better than plastic. That's definitely worth something.
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Yup. and the radiator needs some massaging to get it in. Also makes servicing anything in the front of the belt drive a PIA. Never would pay $1700 for it...I didn't. But the aluminum does dissipate hear much better than plastic. That's definitely worth something.
Just get the c&r radiator with an electric fan........ Prob solved
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Just get the c&r radiator with an electric fan........ Prob solved
For the M3? Easy. PIA for the 330...no options that REALLY fit are available. There are ones that say they fit but they are just M3 radiators. Unless something has changed over the past 12 months.
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We've made some good experience with a water/methanol kit, which helps to reduce heatsoak and with the added water into the compressed air, you've able to reduce pinging / knock issues. Timing retard is "the last" way to protect the engine, the first way is to get better and colder spark-plugs, reduce temprature (colder water-temps i.e. 80 degrees instead of 87 degrees and colder oil temps becouse m54b30 had oil snoozles under the cylinders to cool) and get higher octan (meth / water) to prevent pinging.

Stock compression is able to get 8.5 psi - 9.0 psi with water/meth...
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Well...it was damned fun while it lasted, if not a little frustrating. OK, a lot. The official remembrance pics of this beast.

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You are a smart man.

I just sold my car and picked up an e30 m3 bmwcca touring class car. Want to talk about reliable and light on consumables? This thing is epic.
WHAT?

When did you sell your HPF sty.II M3? Damn it seems like yesterday YOU spent ALL THAT Time installing the HPF Kit yourself.

wow....so who did you sell the M3 To?

James,

I think you, highboostin330 and Minnoe07 should just settle this @ the Track?

MFest VII...a track none of you 3 frequent right? lol

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James,

I think you, highboostin330 and Minnoe07 should just settle this @ the Track?

MFest VII...a track none of you 3 frequent right? lol

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You think you know the answer.
Oh I do. Two cars.

1. An E46M3 of comparable weight stock with 4.10 gears
2. An E46 330 that just dyno'd 340 at the wheels a week prior

The 330 will slowly catch up on a straight. But the M3 can easily stuff 275s in the wheel wells which is a MASSIVE advantage to 255s which negates any advantage on the straight.

In the 330, the E46 M3 would beat me out of every corner. So he'd be 2-3mph faster on exit which basically multiplies as you get down the track. The only way I catch him is under braking and then basically get super aggressive and basically powerslide the car. BTW, I am the faster driver.

I'm about to put the M3 on the track tomorrow at Texas World Speedway going CCW. Best time in the 330 is 1:57:32 with a top speed of 140mph.

The 330 had 255 RS3s and a BBK. The M3 will be about 100lbs lighter, have 275 NT01s and OE brakes and pagid yellows. Something tells me that I will match or beat that time consistently...in the first time on the track in the M3.

Again, read the first post. Its about the entire car...not just the engine.

Don't underestimate the disadvantage all of that extra weight that's high and over the nose of the is.


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WHAT?

When did you sell your HPF sty.II M3? Damn it seems like yesterday YOU spent ALL THAT Time installing the HPF Kit yourself.

wow....so who did you sell the M3 To?

James,

I think you, highboostin330 and Minnoe07 should just settle this @ the Track?

MFest VII...a track none of you 3 frequent right? lol

j/k
sold it to a gentleman by the name of Tucker Clegg. I miss her but i think it was the right choice given the direction i want to go..........club racing
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I don't think I'd ever feel comfortable boosting an aluminum block motor that is known to have issues as-is in NA form. I sold an S54 to a member who races his 330 and got tired of grenading his M54's. Anyone looking to push the M54 should go take a walk through his shop of dead engines laying around.

The S54 with all it's shortfalls can be fixed.

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So ran the M3 this weekend as a test to see where I need to go in the setup. I basically took the coilovers off the 330 unchanged and bolted them onto the M3. Even the camber plates. Did a 2:01:01. Which is almost 4 seconds off my best 330 time. The problem was I had WAY too much camber in the front (-4.5) and could have used more toe in at the rear. NTB couldn't get it right...yeah...last minute had no choice but to go to NTB. Yeah, I basically ran out of time so I just went with whatever.

On this track, you get punished dearly in the fast turns (which is about 11 of 15 turns) because the back end keeps wanting to wag. Then you get punished dearly in the slower deep trailbraking turns because you have to be sooooo careful with the pedal or the back end will come around quickly.

On the back straight, my top speed was about the same. The front straight I was off by about 8-9mph. There was a strong head wind...some of that had to do with my line....some was due to me feathering the throttle on exit because of the alignment issue when I'm normally on full throttle.

You can't underestimate how much the extra 1000rpms helps to reduce shifts. At least at this track, right at key moments. In my 330, I had to make about 14-16 shifts per lap between 2nd to 5th. The shorter gearing on the M3 with the revs cut that down to 10 shifts. Not once did I have to drop down 2 gears.

So going back to my original statement, the M3 as a whole is a superior car for the track that rewards skill vs an FI'd 330. You just have to be willing to look beyond WHP #'s. I don't see why I won't be turning 1:56-1:57's consistently once the setup gets sorted.

The official first track event will be March 23 at Motorsport Ranch Cresson.




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haven't been to the FI forum and totally missed on this thread. Does that make the two of us who tracked our FI bimmers the hell out of?

You echoed the exact same points as I did a few years ago.

The FI setup is never an ideal setup for track or competition. Maintenance, tuning aside, I get penalized a lot of points when competing in NASA TT. I did eventually score my regional championship in 2011 and that was a proud moment. But the blood, sweat and tears that went into getting that was beyond anyone can understand.

Of course, if I were to do this again, it will be a NA motor.

The rather contradicting fact is looking back at the last 10years of supercharging/competing in my BMW (samir went into business in 2002/2003), if it hadn't been the FI modifications/maintenance, I would not have bonded this much with the car. See, it's not just about slapping onto the car with something off the shelves, driving the hell out of, showing off at car shows etc. But experiencing the breakdowns, failures, dealing with frustrating issues and fixing the issues that made it all worthwhile. And coming out stronger and learning a few things about dealing with stress.

After 14 months of hiatus from track, I took her out again last weekend (with fresh fluids of course). What a drive! And pple at NASA actually remember my car...and that really brought a smile to me.

Frankly, if it had stayed a NA car, even with the championship, I doubt pple remember.
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So ran the M3 this weekend as a test to see where I need to go in the setup. I basically took the coilovers off the 330 unchanged and bolted them onto the M3. Even the camber plates. Did a 2:01:01. Which is almost 4 seconds off my best 330 time. The problem was I had WAY too much camber in the front (-4.5) and could have used more toe in at the rear. NTB couldn't get it right...yeah...last minute had no choice but to go to NTB. Yeah, I basically ran out of time so I just went with whatever.

On this track, you get punished dearly in the fast turns (which is about 11 of 15 turns) because the back end keeps wanting to wag. Then you get punished dearly in the slower deep trailbraking turns because you have to be sooooo careful with the pedal or the back end will come around quickly.

On the back straight, my top speed was about the same. The front straight I was off by about 8-9mph. There was a strong head wind...some of that had to do with my line....some was due to me feathering the throttle on exit because of the alignment issue when I'm normally on full throttle.

You can't underestimate how much the extra 1000rpms helps to reduce shifts. At least at this track, right at key moments. In my 330, I had to make about 14-16 shifts per lap between 2nd to 5th. The shorter gearing on the M3 with the revs cut that down to 10 shifts. Not once did I have to drop down 2 gears.

So going back to my original statement, the M3 as a whole is a superior car for the track that rewards skill vs an FI'd 330. You just have to be willing to look beyond WHP #'s. I don't see why I won't be turning 1:56-1:57's consistently once the setup gets sorted.

The official first track event will be March 23 at Motorsport Ranch Cresson.



Lol that second vid when you hit the wipers!
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bigjae,

haven't been to the FI forum and totally missed on this thread. Does that make the two of us who tracked our FI bimmers the hell out of?

You echoed the exact same points as I did a few years ago.

The FI setup is never an ideal setup for track or competition. Maintenance, tuning aside, I get penalized a lot of points when competing in NASA TT. I did eventually score my regional championship in 2011 and that was a proud moment. But the blood, sweat and tears that went into getting that was beyond anyone can understand.

Of course, if I were to do this again, it will be a NA motor.

The rather contradicting fact is looking back at the last 10years of supercharging/competing in my BMW (samir went into business in 2002/2003), if it hadn't been the FI modifications/maintenance, I would not have bonded this much with the car. See, it's not just about slapping onto the car with something off the shelves, driving the hell out of, showing off at car shows etc. But experiencing the breakdowns, failures, dealing with frustrating issues and fixing the issues that made it all worthwhile. And coming out stronger and learning a few things about dealing with stress.

After 14 months of hiatus from track, I took her out again last weekend (with fresh fluids of course). What a drive! And pple at NASA actually remember my car...and that really brought a smile to me.

Frankly, if it had stayed a NA car, even with the championship, I doubt pple remember.
The accountant in me...looking back I am horrified at the time and money I've spend.

But, I am with you 110%. When everything worked...I was one of the few cars out there that was quick in the turns, quick on the straights AND not closing in on 2 tons. I was going to strip it out when I got it back if I hadn't ran into the M3 that I bought.

Everyone knew my car and I got so many compliments. And the blood (often) sweat (everytime), and tears (only at the end) put into it made it sooooo much sweeter! I looked at the Texas NASA records in TTB (I think that where I would have been) and I think I could have been within tenths of those times pretty consistently.

100% true...FI did increase my love for the car. If I had a much fatter wallet, I'd still be running it. Except I'd have a spare motor with the TS compressor on it...quick swap when it blows up and a trailer full of spare parts. Oh and a paid full time mechanic keeping it running. Unfortunately, my love for this car has put a pretty big dent in the checking account. I don't think anyone will ever pay me to drive it so its time.

We are definitely seeing eye to eye. I'm soooo glad I did it! Wouldn't do it again.

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Lol that second vid when you hit the wipers!
I almost shat myself on that one...I didn't think the back end would come around.
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